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Guns, Germs and Steel
- The Fate of Human Societies
- Lu par : Doug Ordunio
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- Catégories : Sciences sociales et politiques, Sciences sociales

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Pulitzer Prize, General Nonfiction, 1998
Guns, Germs and Steel examines the rise of civilization and the issues its development has raised throughout history.
Having done field work in New Guinea for more than 30 years, Jared Diamond presents the geographical and ecological factors that have shaped the modern world. From the viewpoint of an evolutionary biologist, he highlights the broadest movements both literal and conceptual on every continent since the Ice Age, and examines societal advances such as writing, religion, government, and technology. Diamond also dissects racial theories of global history, and the resulting work—Guns, Germs and Steel—is a major contribution to our understanding the evolution of human societies.
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- Pierre Gauthier
- 29/10/2017
Momentous!
In a nutshell, in this fascinating work, the author Jared Diamond sets out to explain why, in the 16th century, the Spaniards conquered Mexico and the Aztecs did not invade Spain.
He is adamant that any potential racial differences have nothing to do with it and explains that geography and the distribution of domesticable plants and animals are the key to understanding the unequal speed of development in various parts of the world throughout history.
Despite a few repetitions and an insistence on Papua-New Guinea that is only justified with his long personal presence there, his style is engaging and crystal clear.
This very enlightening offering is not at all dated and highly advisable to all interested in long term historical trends.
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- Nick M.
- 27/03/2016
Great book, poor narration
This is a great and thought provoking book, just what I've come to appreciate and expect from Jared Diamond.
Unfortunately, the narration is so dull it makes it incredibly difficult to keep engaged with the story. His voice is monotone and devoid of meaningful inflections, and throaty, I keep waiting for him to clear his throat, it turns this in to a very dry listen. Significantly reduces my enjoyment of this incredible book.
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- Jimmy Mak
- 02/02/2016
Poor preformance
What could have made this a 4 or 5-star listening experience for you?
Unfortunately the narrator was completely unable to capture the drama of this book. I read it shortly after it came out in hardback and lent my copy one too many times so I was excited to read it again. This was not the experience I hoped for.
What other book might you compare Guns, Germs and Steel to and why?
Kon Tiki, Rapa Nui. Similar cultures.
What didn’t you like about Doug Ordunio’s performance?
You get the feeling he isn't hearing the words that he is saying.
You didn’t love this book... but did it have any redeeming qualities?
I do love this book. The ease with which the author relays his information is astounding. When on paper the pages fly by, when narrated it's like setting through a lecture. Such a shame that this book was presented by someone as disinterested as Doug Ordunio.
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- Doug
- 25/08/2011
Compelling pre-history and emergent history
This is a fascinating and foundational work that takes a topic (for me) shrouded in obscurity (how and why did civilization emerge in the pattern it did around the globe), and provides a vivid, detailed, and substantially convincing explanation. Thanks to GGS, I see world and cultural history with new eyes. That is pretty much the highest praise I can think of for a book.
I have a personal policy of ignoring (or at least trying to ignore) negative narrator reviews, as I find them always overstated. This reading is on the dry/flat/dull side, but it is still professional. The book is great and one of the most stimulating I have ever listened to. It is dense, but if you don't like fact, analysis, and theory, you wouldn't seek out this sort of book. Extremely highly recommended. It will change the way you see the world.
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- Daniel
- 19/12/2011
A story all should know, not all can endure
What a wealth of information! So amazing to think about the inevitabilities and chance occurrences that shaped our world. I wish I could recommend this book to all since it should be standard reading(listening). The down side is that its a bit of an endurance challenge to get through. There are a lot of numbers lists and .. vocally read charts. I doubt most could make it through this entire book. An abridged version might be more digestible.
Regardless, give it a try. You'll think about the world in a completely different way. But take your time, or else you'll burn out on this anvil of a book.
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- Jeremy
- 16/02/2011
Informing, Interesting, and Boring all in one
His point of view is compelling, and gives definite weight to the view that all men are created equal, and 'Whites' for example aren't 'better' than anyone else, but that they had a better deck of cards than other peoples and cultures at a time when it mattered. I have heard others talk on the same issues and topics and make it much more engaging however. And while he titles the book "Guns, germs and steel", given what takes up the majority of the book it should be titled, "Grains, Vegetables and Domestic-able animals".
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- Steven
- 19/11/2011
So much potential, so little craft
With all the field work and research available to him Diamond stands at the brink of what could be the most fascinating and significant popular science book of the era. He brings together so many disciplines to show macro trends, chaos theory, the power of germs in fashioning human history. It could all havee been absolutely mind changing. Sadly Diamond is not Bill Bryson. He has a scientific mind and a scientific compulsion for being comprehensive. Where Bryson can spin a story out of a proton, Diamond gets mired in a repetitive catalogue of insights applied meticulously yet tediously to every possible place, time and civilisation. I would really love someone else to re-tell this - someone who has the ability to convert the linear into the prosaic. I gave up after about 50%.
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- Anonymous User
- 07/07/2020
I learned nothing
You read books to learn. I learned nothing with this book. Its just noise in the form of dull information.
Maybe I would of appreciated this book more if it discussed how guns, germs and steel evolved our world societies. 15 out of the 16 hr audio book takes place in Papua New Guinea. Only 1 hr of worldly examples.
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- firstrich1
- 22/09/2015
interesting but dry
I had some difficulty staying focused on the subjects due to the fact that the narrator was a bit on the side of sleep inducing. A soothing voice but dry in the reading, often coming across as methodical and like a recitation of facts. Much of the information is interesting but it was hard to stay focused. I think I got about 50% of what the author was saying just due to the dry expression of the narrator.
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- Neil Chisholm
- 26/03/2013
Anthropology? Compelling? This book is!
The Fates of Human Societies is the subheading of this book and it grabbed me. I've recently listened to histories of several societies and I thought this might be interesting in doing some comparisons. What I wasn't ready for was a gallop through the history of man from our first bands of hunter gatherers wandering out of Africa to detailed explanations of why Eurasia was by its geography destined to be more successful than either the Americas and Africa.
If you had told me I was going to be left gaping by linguistic analysis, natural experiments or the result of reviews by evolutionary biologists I wouldn't have believed you but I am agog as what I've heard and the implications it has meant for all the histories of different societies.
I am still digesting what I've heard and I know I shall be back to listen to parts if not all of it again. This book is highly recommended if you want to know why Eurasia came to dominate the world and to understand early civilisations destinies from their geography and biology. It really is compelling listening.
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- Darwin8u
- 01/09/2015
Location, location, location...
“In short, Europe’s colonization of Africa had nothing to do with differences between European and African peoples themselves, as white racists assume. Rather, it was due to accidents of geography and biogeography—in particular, to the continents’ different areas, axes, and suites of wild plant and animal species. That is, the different historical trajectories of Africa and Europe stem ultimately from differences in real estate.”
- Jared Diamond, Guns, Germs, and Steel
This is one of those books that once you finish, you sit back and say "yeah, um, duh". Since I'm reading this about 18 years after it was first published and probably 14 years since I bought and first perused it, it never seemed very shocking to me. Look, certain civilizations came to dominate based on a couple random, accidental, and nonracially based situations that combined to give the Eurasian people a slight advantage once these civilizations came into contact with each other.
First, the domesticated food and animals of Eurasiaa contained more protein and more varieties of domesticated animals (pigs, cows, goats, etc) that allowed the people on the Eurasian continent to achieve a certain population density that allowed them to move from band > tribe > chiefdom > state > empire first. This density also allowed for more technological advances, more exposure and protection against herd diseases, so that when cultures collided, the more advanced societies were able to dominate. End of book. Q.E.D.
Is it still worth reading? Certainly. Just because you get the basic premise of Natural Selection does not mean you shouldn't read Darwin's classics. I'm to going to compare Jared Diamond to Charles Darwin. This book isn't that good, but the apparent simplicity of the book's premise only appears simple. The argument that Diamond delivers is tight and simple but hides a lot of work.
** Just a note. This audiobook does NOT include the newer edition's chapter on Japan or the 2003 author's Afterword.
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- Alex
- 18/05/2018
Awesome book narrated badly
The quality of an audiobook depends not only on the original text material, but also heavily on the narrator, and I'm sorry to say that but Dough Ordunio is a very mediocre narrator, and doesn't do the absolutely interesting and actually engaging topic any justice by giving an inarticulate performance that makes his narration hard to catch. Why so many people give this audiobook such good ratings is beyond me. Have you ever listened to Stephen Fry? Simon Shepherd? R.C. Bray, goddammit?!?
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- langerhans
- 27/08/2019
Sprecher geht gar nicht
Einschläfernder Sprecher mit einem furchtbaren Akzent. What oder Who wird konsequent "Chhhhhhwat" und "chhhhhhhwo" ausgesprochen - furchtbar.
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- Marc Dierckx
- 03/03/2017
Les jeux sont faits
Jared Diamond has in some sense written a sequel to Richard Dawkins's "the selfish gene": the growth, decline and mutual usurpation of human societies are a result of repeated games where the availability of exploitable resources, be it manageable crops, animals, climates and their emergent effects like crafts, population density and diseases are the real explanatory factors. The human populations just offer the breading ground for the societies and the intelligence factor of the individual human not more than mere statistical noise.
The book is an effective counterargument for any supremacist theory by its strong arguments and multiple layers of proof. A must read for anyone who is not afraid to put his/her own intelligence into perspective.
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- stephkidd32
- 28/03/2017
Very good book. Great to listen to, well varied
I really enjoyed this book. The research is clearly well done and well explained.
The author does not generalise, the usual examples are not there, I really learned new things.
Would recommend as a must!!
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- Amazon Kunde
- 07/10/2018
A great reading of:
The work of a great man, arguing for the insignificance of the works of great men :)
At least in a broad historical context..
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- Esteban Ortiz Castanares
- 13/02/2021
Great view on the world societies evolution
An excellent book that shows the main reasons why some continents (societies) developed and other ones stagned.
What I miss is complementary pdf with the tables available in the book.
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- peetee
- 28/06/2020
Precise and enlightening
This book has been on my list for a long time. It answers the fundamental question of superiority of races versus the geographical factors contributing to historical developments. The answer itself is detailed enough, derived in a detailed, scientific and rigorous way. Jared is indeed a superstar. Thank Jared!
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- Georg Michna
- 20/08/2019
Essential
For someone who only had public school history education, like me, this is an essential work. I think it can be listed along with The Selfish Gene as a "must read" or, in case of Audible, "must listen," for those aiming to understand history's broad pattern.
While there is some redundancy between parts, I think this is useful, given the high density of information that details the justification of the overarching reasoning.
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- keara
- 03/08/2019
Its a doozy
It's an interesting book with several fascinating insights, topics, and theories. It can be a bit dry and does require the reader to be kind of informed, but overall it's put it realitivly simple terms. I recommend this book to anyone looking to better understand human history. It's a nerdy kind of fun, loved it!!
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- Frank F.
- 07/09/2018
Ein grundlegendes Werk
Viele Erkenntnisse, gut erzählt. In der Hörbuch Version stören ab&an die geballten Datenreihen, da hätte man kürzen können (merkt sich eh niemand ;-). Sonst für historisch-soziologisch Interessierte quasi Pflichtlektüre
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