Zach and Jeff get into the contradictions, pressures, and dysfunctional dynamics around work and money.

The conversation explores the challenges and complexities of work, unemployment, freelancing, and the creator economy. It delves into the pressure of being a provider, the impact of childhood experiences on work and parenting, and the love-hate relationship with work. Jeff and Zach touch on struggles with mindset and self-worth, the elitism of the creative industry, and experiences of being ghosted. The conversation explores the dislike for marketing, contradictions with money, the value of friendships, the challenges of corporate America and marketing, the ethics of marketing vulnerable services, charging for useful services, access to helpful resources, pricing and value perception, a music collection project, and an exploration of pessimist philosophy. Thrash On!

• The Florida Project
• God and Angel
• Why Aren’t There More Female Music Producers?
• Brooke Erin Duffy
• CITP Seminar: Brooke Erin Duffy - On The Creator Economy
• The Social Dilemma movie
• Toontrack Products
• System of a Down - Steal This Album
• Waking Up app by Sam Harris
• BOXOMYLK on Bandcamp
• Starbound Renegade Music
• Dune 2 movie
• The Conspiracy Against the Human Race
• The Human Predicament

00:00 Introduction and Motivation
03:05 The Challenges of Unemployment and Freelancing
06:24 The Pressure of Being a Good Provider
09:19 The Impact of Childhood Experiences on Work and Parenting
13:02 The Rise of the Creator Economy
20:43 Struggles with Mindset and Self-Worth
24:49 The Challenges of Freelancing and Pricing
27:13 Balancing Honesty and Self-Sabotage
31:33 The Elitism of the Creative Industry
34:53 Experiences of Being Ghosted
38:11 Navigating Endorsements and Compensation
43:20 Contradictions with Money
46:16 The Value of Friendships
55:17 Charging for Useful Services
01:03:05 Music Collection Project
01:09:06 Exploring Pessimist Philosophy

🎙️ Podcast Website: https://we-should-be-working.simplecast.com
🖥️ Jeff’s Website: https://jefffinley.org
📺 Jeff’s YouTube: https://youtube.com/jeff_finley
🐠 Zach’s Website: https://fightingfish.studio