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Listeners can find Laurence Fox on Twitter: https://twitter.com/LozzaFox and his website: https://www.laurencefox.co.uk/.  

Laurence Fox is an actor, musician, and political commentator. He co-founded and is the leader of The Reclaim Party and The Bad Law Project.

In this episode, we chat about Laurence’s experience with the family court system, the current battle he is in for custody of his sons, being guilty until proven more guilty, the devaluation of fatherhood in our current culture, and much more.

“Tomorrow we have to just pray that  the judge returns the kids to the situation they've lived in for six and a half years, and I need to get their mom and me, so I'm not saying that I'm better and she's worse. I'm just saying you need to get me, her, and our kids around a table so that we can talk about each other's problems and we can find a way through, in a way which is not impeccably hostile.” - Laurence Fox

Show Notes: 

• [0:00] Intro
• [1:30] Greg welcomes Laurence back to the show
• [2:10] Laurence talks about family law situation
• [5:45] Potential medical intervention with child
• [7:10] Laurence’s cell phone incident with his son
• [10:10] Laurence’s ex-wife files a complaint with social services
• [12:05] Laurence has not seen his kids in weeks and has tried to contact his ex-wife with no response
• [14:10] Feeling like he has no options 
• [16:25] Greg talks about his own experiences with being separated from his children
• [20:10] Parents must be able to discipline their children + children needing their fathers
• [22:30] Being guilty until proven more guilty + doing what’s best for the children
• [29:30] Laurence tells story about his oldest son
• [30:40] Not being allowed to discuss these issues publicly 
• [32:45] Walking away and trying to make peace  
• [39:40] Laurence asks Greg: “What do you wish you’d done when you were in my place?”
• [41:30] Telling the truth and being afraid of offending people
• [43:10] Parental alienation 
• [46:30] How victimhood culture is connected with this
• [48:40] How do you re-establish your relationship with your child once it’s undermined by a court?
• [52:20] Family court system incentives and devaluation of fatherhood 
• [57:00] Domestic violence being charged in a criminal court
• [58:40] Johnny Depp v. Amber Heard
• [59:05] “Believe all women”
• [1:01:30] Laurence talks about his upcoming court hearings and the importance of mediation 
• [1:04:10] Greg wraps up the show

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Listeners can find Winston on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MrWinMarshall 

Winston’s podcast Marshall Matters: https://www.spectator.co.uk/podcasts/marshall-matters 

Winston Marshall is a musician and was one of the founding members of Mumford and Sons. In 2021, he departed from the band, amidst controversy, and wrote about his decision here: https://mrwinstonmarshall.medium.com/why-im-leaving-mumford-sons-e6e731bbc255 

Winston is also the host of the new podcast "Marshall Matters", in partnership with Spectator Magazine, focusing on the state of the arts and creative industries. Guests will join Winston as they discuss the taboos and the obstacles of freedom of expression that artists meet today.

In this episode, we chat about Winston’s decision to leave Mumford & Sons, cancel culture, standing up to the mob, music, the MeToo movement, and much more!

“…particularly after I published the letter when I quit, I got thousands of messages. It's very moving when you get messages from people who say that they feel trapped or they feel that they can't say what they think or that if they say what they think they're going to lose their job or lose something from all walks of life. Now I can afford to quit, right? I've made money. I'll be alright but a lot of people can't afford to quit. If they lose their job, they can't pay rent or they can't pay their mortgage, they've got kids, there's so much that they're juggling… when you challenge some of these big ideas, you become a pariah, you become untouchable, you become a bad guy.”

Show Notes: 

• [1:40] Greg welcomes Winton to the show.   
• [3:20] Winston talks about leaving Mumford & Sons and facing the Twitter mob.
• [5:40] Manchester United, Liverpool, and the community found in sports. 
• [10:40] Greg and Winston discuss their starts in the music/entertainment business. 
• [17:00] Being a self-taught musician.   
• [20:10] Winston’s apology and the Twitter reaction. 
• [27:00] Fear of speaking out against the mob and trying to have more open discussions.
• [30:10] Greg talks about his own experiences with cancel culture.
• [33:00] Book, reading, and the power of language.  
• [37:30] Johnny Depp v. Amber Heard trial.
• [47:20] The MeToo movement’s response to Amber Heard.
• [53:40] Eve Barlow.
• [55:40] Debating ideas and having nuanced conversations.
• [59:10] Where does Winston find meaning?
• [1:02:40] What is the most meaningful moment of your life?
• [1:06:50] Where do you go to find peace?
• [1:09:50] If you could write your own epitaph, what would you want it to say?
• [1:11:10] Greg wraps up the show.
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