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  • De : Stefan Molyneux
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The Art of the Argument shocks the dying art of rational debate back to life, giving you the essential tools you need to fight the escalating sophistry, falsehoods, and vicious personal attacks that have displaced intelligent conversations throughout the world. At a time when we need reasonable and empirical discussions more desperately than ever, The Art of the Argument smashes through the brain-eating fogs of sophistry and mental manipulation, illuminating a path to benevolent power for all who wish to take it.

Civilization is defined by our willingness and ability to use words instead of fists - in the absence of reason, violence rules. The Art of the Argument gives you the intellectual ammunition - in one concentrated, entertaining and powerful package - to engage in truly productive, civilization-saving debates. Armed with this book, you will be empowered to speak truth to power, illuminate ignorance, shatter delusions, and expose the dangerous sophists within your own life, and around the world.

©2017 Stefan Molyneux (P)2017 Stefan Molyneux

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  • RyanJ
  • 20/01/2018

Annoying

I thought this would be a book about the principles of argument. It was actually more a philosophical discussion of the concept of argument. I couldn’t finish because the book was unnecessarily wordy to the point where it was annoying. After 3 hours of what I can best describe as rambling (though the rambling may have some great philosophical perspectives), it is really somewhat pointless. The writing style paints the author as overwhelmingly arrogant as well.

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  • Bryan
  • 21/12/2017

Verbose

Redundant explanations made the book twice as long as necessary. Otherwise good content and performance.

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  • Joshua A.
  • 31/01/2018

like an extra long podcast

I listen to free domain radio every day, so listening to Stefan speak for 5 hours was no difficult feat. this book has some great arguments and ideas in it. it's worth listening to a few times over.

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  • David Larson
  • 23/09/2017

Book Tries to Convert You to Christianity

This book is supposed to be about argumentation, but is actually about why the Christian Right is good and the Atheist Left is bad.

If this author is going to make an honest argument for why you should be a Christian, why doesn't he put that in the title of the book? Instead, he pretends that he's writing about a secular topic, and then sneaks in his religion.

Here are a couple of flawless arguments the book makes:

"Of course the fact that atheists tend to be leftists does not mean that atheism causes leftism in politics, the causality could go the other way, that leftism in politics causes atheism, or there could be a third factor that affects both, perhaps a belief in Darwinian evolution triggers a belief in both leftism and atheism, since the poor are denied rewards in heaven, we must give them money here on Earth."

In this argument, the author presents a strawman answer for why atheism and political leftism are linked. Yes, it must be because the evil theory of Darwinian evolution somehow triggers both atheism and leftist thought at the same time.

Of course, we know from extensive research that religiosity has a negative correlation with IQ (between -.2 and -.25). The more intelligent you are, the more likely you are to be atheist and liberal (google it). Having a higher IQ makes you less likely to believe in any of the magical gods worshipped by man. That includes the Christian god and the invisible hand of the laissez-faire free market god. Liberals and atheists both know that the gods will not save us, and left to its own devices, the market god will quickly devolve into a handful of monopolies. Just look back in history at the robber barons and their anticompetitive trusts. That's what an unregulated market will do.

Here's another beautiful argument from the book:
"Christianity generally opposes massive government growth, since for Christians, free will is essential for morality, and government coercion strips citizens of free will."

This ridiculous string of half-truth equivocations made my head spin. The author is actually implying here that atheists are somehow in favor of massive government growth, and Christians are against government growth because it is a form of coercion. So is the author saying that Christians want a smaller military? Last time I checked, the military makes up 56% of total US government spending. According to the author's logic, that military spending is automatically coercion because it is money being spent by the government. Now find me a Christian who wants to shrink the military. I'll go ahead and wait while you do that.

In the meantime, I'm going to go return this nonsense book. Spiritual people, please stop trying to set me up on a blind date with your gods. If I want to read a book of fairy tales I will pick up the Brother's Grimm.

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  • Jason N
  • 11/10/2017

Well written and read but...

the writer / performer did an excellent job of cleary conveying complex concepts in a way that the "average" reader could understand. The majority of the book covers common debate tactics by using generalized if not mundane arguments. Such as, "a person cannot begin an argument by stating the number one is the same as the number ten and come to a reasonable conclusion". Fine with me, a good example. However, the writing and format of the book at times seem like a disingenuous rouse to further the writers right wing leanings. How else do the examples of arguments turn from "gravity exists" to "the nanny state encourages single motherhood"? I will grant when the writer makes some valid arguments on these matters, but question if they belong in a book that in no way warns the reader they are about to embark on a political narrative.

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  • jerry otto thompson
  • 01/11/2017

This is not a guide to winning arguments.

This book was advertised as a argument guide and it is not. The writing is very chopped the book just does not flow. The book repeats concepts very early . Not what I was looking for. If your wanting to buy this book as a guide to better handle yourself in arguments this is not it at all.

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  • Brian Quinlan
  • 30/10/2017

touts logic and argument , uses neither

book tries to explain formal fallacies and counters to informal fallacies by using formal fallacies. author is bias, offers opinion as facts in examples and any disagreement is dismissed as a "illiteracy to logic". In fairness I bought the book because of the title and was fooled. The author asks "are you triggered yet?" in the foreword which should have been the dead give away of a terrible author. In short this was my fault for not researching prior to purchase but please don't waste your time on this if improving your future arguments is your aim.

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  • Chet Quint
  • 10/02/2018

Narrator read the book like he was in 4th grade.

Is there anything you would change about this book?

The narration was terrible. The author's style of placing a period in the middle of every sentence was distracting and made the book hard to enjoy.

Would you be willing to try another book from Stefan Molyneux? Why or why not?

No. Though I generally agree with conservative views, I felt that his right-leaning examples took the book over and didn't focus enough on argumentative structure.

Would you be willing to try another one of Stefan Molyneux’s performances?

No.

Any additional comments?

The author should try to stick more to the subject and NEVER narrate another book unless he learns who to read a complete, uninterrupted sentence.

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  • Petr Pour
  • 20/09/2017

Essential book...

As always Stefan promises and delivers! This book is an excelent guide to argumentation. It's simple enough so even layman can understand It and short enough to encourage rereading! Highly recommended!

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  • Justin
  • 24/09/2018

Important message, awkward reading

Stefan Molyneux has an evocative and florid style in his writing. Unfortunately, the audiobook’s effect is lessened by his own reading of it. In short, he reads the entire book like it’s a Captain Kirk monologue. Filled with mid-phrase pauses, sudden shifts in tempo, and wide ranges in dynamics, Molyneux’s overly dramatic reading goes to distract from the message of the book rather than enhance or stress his points. It took me very long to get through this book for that very reason.

Point of the book: argumentation is the basis for peaceful resolution of conflict and cooperation. Convince one another through reason, or else fall pray to sophistry - irrational attempts to suppress reason through manipulation, lies, aggression, etc. Therefore argue for truth. Argue for the argument. And be willing to change your own mind if the face of truth and reason.

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  • Edwin Fröse
  • 16/01/2018

Red Pill

Ich kann kaum in Worte fassen, wie sehr dieser Mann mich und die Art und Weise, wie ich die Dinge sehe und beurteile, beeinflusst hat. Dank ihm sehe ich die Verkommenheit dieser Zeit und ihr unglaubliches Potenzial. In diesem Buch hat er zusammengefasst, was er in Youtube in unzähligen Stunden erklärt und als Beispiel vormacht. Natürlich bekommt er von mir nur die besten Bewertungen, da dieses Buch nicht nur Argumentieren und Diskutieren lehrt, sondern wie man lebt.

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  • Paul Leitner
  • 11/09/2018

Not about logic or argumentation at all

short version:
-) this is not a book about logic or crafting an argument but an incoherent rant pushing anarcho-capitalist/anti-socialist talking points in (poor) disguise. Think "one guy holding a stick saying 'I am a tree'" disguise
-) while I have no problem with arguing against socialism (or anything, really), this is
A) terribly lazily done and more importantly
B) pretends to be an "impartial" and "logical" book WHICH IT IS NOT
-) the book is one overlong rant without any red thread, meandering wildly around topics - did anyone bother to edit this?
-) I am no classically trained philosopher by any stretch of the imagination but his misrepresentation of other philosophers, lazy argumentation and complete absence of logical rigor are painfully obvious
-) *THE ARGUMENT* is brought up about 5 times a minute, never having been properly defined and meaning *whatever*, at various points in the book - example:

“The first thing to understand is that The Argument is everything. The Argument is civilization; The Argument is peace; The Argument is love; The Argument is truth and beauty; The Argument is, in fact, life itself.”


For all the reasons listed above this is just a terrible, terrible book.

I went into this with no expectations or prejudice one way or the other, having never heard of Molyneux in my life. About half an hour in (I listened to the audiobook) it started to sink in that while this presents itself as a book about logic and rational argumentation it is really anything but - the author rambles on, mostly without rhyme, reason or a red thread pushing his blatant anarcho-capitalist agenda in your face.
It is not suble. AT ALL!
It was read by the author and while this should not be a criterion his voice performance is INFURIATING beyond measure - overly smug, patronising in tone of voice and choice of vocabulary, incredibly repetitive and overall vomit-inducing. This should not bother me as much as it does, but if I have to listen to Molyneux sigh *the AAAHGUMENT* (as he does, about 16 times a minute) once more, I will be sorely tempted to give myself a DYI lobotomy with a screwdriver.

DO NOT read this if you have ever read any decent philosophy, EVER.

And by all means STAY AWAY FROM THE AUDIO VERSION unless you want to hear Molyneux' voice in your head for MONTHS whenever you see the words "the Argument" anywhere. It's like a revolting aftertaste that just will not go away.

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  • Joschka
  • 26/03/2018

An Argument for The Argument

This book highlights the importance of real arguments for civilizations.
No argument, no civilization. I hope you spread the argument and become more aware of false arguments

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  • M. Mertens
  • 01/08/2018

Horribly devious drivel

Absolute mistake, would never recommend. Backwards misogynistic xenophobic chauvinist propaganda thinly disguised as sincere discourse.

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  • Kindle-Kunde
  • 16/05/2018

More a critic of "the left" than anything elese

was difficult listening to this book. I expected real argumentation technics or you may say: tips and tricks. But this felt a lot more like a critic of "the left" than anything else. Moreover, some of the arguments were very poorly made like suggesting that (all) children of "single mothers" whatever was meant with this (from the tone of the reader and general comments one gets the sentiment or mental picture that this means promiscuous and irresponsible women) would be "better of" (again whatever this means, if I had to guess the author means economic or social consequences, and disregards any or all psychological consequences for children and mothers. But I guess the sentiment of the book is: they only have them selfs to blame for any negative effects so... though luck)   if they were given to adoption. I am open to such an Idea (giving all children of single mothers to adoption), but it is very casually presented as a proven better alternative as "the welfare state". So I guess I simply did not expect the argument to be just a political critic of "the left". I had the hope of getting some sort of skillset to be better at argumentation whatever the topic. This is far from what the book is. 

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  • sergiusnolle
  • 14/03/2018

unfortunate pretentious piece of garbage

one should always try to listen to arguments of those you oppose. and if presented based on reason think about the validity of your own positions.

but the author can’t hide his disgust and complete lack of compassion as well as fails being objective in the first chapter.

he bashes single mothers and the welfare state with weird and incomplete reasoning and therefor - even if the topic sounded interesting it is unfortunately a pretentious piece of garbage!

very sad! (as his “president” of choice would say!)

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  • Tomas
  • 10/08/2018

a challenge and a reward

It was a challenge to resume playing the book in the past week. I was already gone through a better part of it and knew what mindset i will be in if i turn it on again. Fighter's mindset. It seems that you don't have to fight every day, what kind of life is that, peace is the way. And so if I woke up peaceful and happy I know this feeling would probably not remain once I resume playing this book.

And it's a good thing. Argument keeps you grounded and on the path. You might not feel the same naive accidental happiness, but happiness that is earned through struggle and defending the truth.

Now that I said that I have to keep my conscience in check.

This is a great book.

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