Problem

This course focuses too much on the professor and his sexual interests, which he attempts to connect to Shakespeare's plays. There is a camp quality to the verbal style, including long shuddering intakes of breath meant to communicate sexual excitement. The ideas are sometimes unusual, such as Prof. Saccio's belief that Shakespeare's sonnets are not biographical, but are perhaps an extended experiment in sonnet-making. I don't believe that is a majority opinion. I held out till nearly the end of the first half of the lectures, when a lovely quoted passage was so enthusiastically sexualized in the discussion that I turned off the book and deleted it as indecent. The professor frequently promotes his two other lecture series on Shakespeare for The Great Courses, but I'll want to take care to avoid those.

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More Downs than Ups - Not for Beginners

Would you say that listening to this book was time well-spent? Why or why not?

If you are a beginner to Shakespeare I would suggest staying away from this specific course. To me it felt like this was meant for someone with extensive exposure to Shakespeare rather than one hoping to learn the basics of Shakespeare's styles. I have been studying Shakespeare's works for 20 years and have attended countless of his plays but I could only say this course was average. Here's the rundown:

Pluses:
• Descriptions of the different meters (such as iambic pentameter), forms of speech (prose and verse --- and when they are used) and the rhythms (choice of words) employed by Shakespeare in his plays and sonnets
• Insight behind the battle scenes of the Henry VI plays and their significance to the message behind the plays
• Character analysis of Richard III which includes discussion of his deformed body representing the sick state England had become during the War of the Roses, what made him stand out from other Shakespeare’s villains that made him his first great villain, and how (by thinking outside of standard Medieval beliefs) he perfectly embodied a villain for the Renaissance
• Fate and free will and its relationship to history explored in Henry IV Part 2
• The different types of action in Hamlet and analysis of his “To be or not to be” speech
• Description of the Romance genre and the human desire to preserve beauty and excellence in The Winter’s Tale

Minuses:
• I was hoping for more of an analysis on the action of a play’s plot beginning to end; Instead the professor would instead seem to…
o ….focus on uninteresting topics/aspects of a play or
o ….delve into advanced discussions that made it difficult to follow or
o ….have a hard time making his main points in many of the lectures; While some of the theories and assertions were interesting, the examples he gave did not seem to be relevant to his main points or he did not explain them enough to bring the points together
• It felt like more time should have been spent on explaining why Shakespeare chose certain words at a specific time or the definition of the common phrases/words that appear foreign to modern audiences
• The professor seemed to have an assumption that the listener has a prior understanding of non-Shakespeare topics from classic mythology to Greek philosophy to ancient world views to other literary works; Often in the lectures he goes off comparing or contrasting Shakespeare concepts to this other material

Overall I would say there are more downs than ups but perhaps it is just the professor's style not being on a wavelength I can understand. Others may find him very engaging. There are certainly some good lectures (outlined above).

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More drama than narrative

If like me, you listen to these things as you go to sleep, don't use this one for that. The actual acting out of emotional scenes isn't conducive to sleep. This is a enthusiastic retelling explanation of Shakespeare's genius, the professor is definitely passionate about his work. I like that he doesn't go into the authorship question and doesn't attribute what Shakespeare wrote as autobiographical. Writers are creative, and good ones write about characters that are different than them. The man was writing to audience and wanted to sell tickets and poems and like any good writer, he took himself out of the story. What I didn't like about this telling is the professor doesn't say what is history and what is created for dramas sake. Calling Cleopatra a tramp isn't really helpful in illuminating minds with truth, I'll give him murderer though..

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can't go wrong

I love the great courses, I own the great courses plus, but some of the earlier lectures are missing this is one of them, Peter Saccio does and amazing job. I have learned so much from this course. ALL SHAKESPEARE FANS WILL ENJOY, I promise

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An exceptional presentation

Professor Saccio articulates Shakespeare—in voice and meaning— better than any other commentary since the Romantics. I especially appreciated his analysis of Richard III and that play's connection to the Renaissance. Quite insightful.

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More Please!

This is the third course I've taken on Shakespeare from The Great Courses. This one had an interesting slant and I enjoyed it very much. I wish Prof. Saccio would do another on the more obscure plays!

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Why You Should Hear These Lectures

“It is risky to entitle a lecture ‘Love in Shakespeare’s Sonnets’. It sounds like I’m going to tell you what Shakespeare thought about love…I can’t do that. The ideas expressed on love in the sonnets are various, inconsistent, and contradictory. He is not the sort of artist who uses his art to convey ideas in that sense. That is, he’s not an artist like Milton, who would sit down and write a poem to get across his conclusions. Or a playwright like Aeschylus, who would write a whole tragic trilogy to tell you what the nature of Justice was.

Shakespeare tends to work the other way around. Instead of using art to convey ideas, he uses ideas (amongst other things) to create art. Ideas are amongst the various materials he uses to explore the human condition. He is really concerned in the sonnets with what it feels like to be in various love situations, not to draw an overarching conclusion about love. He is wholly absorbed in the immediate situation…He is a great artist at inhabiting a mind, a feeling, at a particular moment. In that sense, the variety of views of love expressed in the sonnets bears some analogy to the variety of characters he creates in the plays.”

- Lecture 4, Love in Shakespeare’s Sonnets

That’s a fine example of the kind of insights you’ll find here. This one explains (to me, at least) why Shakespeare is so enduring: he can’t be pigeonholed. Falstaff’s critique of military glory doesn’t mean Shakespeare was anti-war. Nor do the stirring speeches he puts in King Harry’s mouth make him an arch-imperialist. They just prove he was the master craftsman of our language.

Professor Saccio is simply superb. Like his subject, he doesn’t come to the works with any hidden agendas. He just sincerely wants us to understand Shakespeare better, and he succeeds brilliantly.

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The doctor

I have enjoyed this course like no other,I’m Spanish but the beauty,the breath and depth of the English
Language is breathtaking.

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If you’re looking to get back into Shakespeare…

…just delightful and inspirational. Frankly I’m feeling the same joy as when I first discovered Shakespeare as a kid.

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Anti-free-will

So, this professor believes that free will is wrong and that stepping outside of your conservatively-defined role brings destruction.

He ascribes this view to Shakespeare in a way that, I think, just betrays that it’s his own view. Shakespeare believed in that idea a lot less than everyone else at his time, and his characters benefit from taking at-the-time shocking freedoms at least 9 out of 10 times. This professor is fixated on the idea that everything will collapse into evil if people don’t conform, and he’s pushing that view here.

Conformity is a plague of the Facebook era. Liberals conform just as much as conservatives, they just conform to a different target, but everyone, everywhere is toxically conformist nowadays. It’s as if people have been moving backwards. What the world needs is just to cast off all roles, labels, and tribes, and learn to love each other as unique individuals who can’t be defined — to define a human being is to murder them. So this author is saying a lot of awful things.

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