what does it really take to create a world where people feel safe, respected, and free to be themselves?

a note before listening: this conversation includes discussions of rape, sexual violence, trauma, and the challenges survivors face in the aftermath. please take care of yourself while listening—or come back to this conversation another time.

in this episode of what she said, angie welcomes back her friend lindsay skatrud for the kind of conversation they've been looking forward to having more of—two friends sitting down, picking up where they left off, and making space for whatever comes up.

following angie's recent solo episode, what angie said: we are jane doe, lindsay begins by checking in with angie about what it felt like to share her personal experience with sexual assault. what follows is a thoughtful and deeply personal conversation about the ways we respond to sexual violence, the systems that allow harmful behavior to persist, and what it might look like to begin changing those systems.

drawing on her own experience in greek life, lindsay reflects on the culture of fraternities and sororities, the pressure to belong, and the ways group dynamics can make it difficult to challenge harmful behavior. angie shares her perspective as the mother of a teenage son preparing to leave for college, including the conversations they've had about consent, accountability, and what it means to speak up when something isn't right.

from there, the conversation turns to lindsay's experience raising a young daughter—and a perspective on boundaries that feels especially important. rather than focusing solely on teaching children to establish boundaries, what if we focused more on teaching the adults around them to respect the boundaries they already have?

angie and lindsay also explore the ways we can create meaningful change closer to home, whether through parenting, our workplaces, or our local communities. lindsay shares how her approach to advocacy has evolved with motherhood and how she's found opportunities to make a difference through her work.

and, because it's lindsay, the conversation wouldn't be complete without a little astrology. drawing from the chani app by chani nicholas, lindsay shares insights about her north node in aquarius, her nodal return, and the connection between her astrological chart and the themes of justice, joy, and collective care that have woven their way through the entire conversation.

in this episode:

• why lindsay wanted to revisit angie's conversation about sexual assault
• what it felt like for angie to share her story publicly
• raising a teenage son in a culture that still struggles with consent and accountability
• lindsay's firsthand experience with greek life and its complicated systems
• the pressure to belong and the difficulty of speaking up
• how small, everyday boundary violations can shape what we come to accept
• raising children who trust their instincts and know their boundaries matter
• why respecting children's autonomy starts with the adults around them
• finding meaningful ways to create change within our own communities
• recognizing the humanity of others through our work and everyday interactions
• lindsay's nodal return, north node in aquarius, and reflections from the chani app
• making room for joy, pleasure, and the freedom to be ourselves

throughout this conversation, angie and lindsay keep coming back to the same idea: we may not be able to change everything happening around us, but we can pay attention to how we show up for the people in our lives.

we can raise children who understand respect. we can honor another person's boundaries. we can create workplaces where people feel seen and supported. and we can continue having conversations that challenge us to think differently.

perhaps that's where meaningful change begins—in the ways we choose to treat one another, every day.

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what happens when one woman's story feels painfully familiar to millions of others?

a note before listening: this episode includes conversations about rape, sexual violence, trauma, and the ways survivors are often scrutinized in the aftermath. please take care of yourself while listening—or come back to this conversation another time.

in this solo episode, angie returns to what she said with a conversation she's known she needed to have, but one that hasn't been easy to begin.

reflecting on a recent sexual assault case in the news, angie shares how watching another young woman's experience be questioned, analyzed, and debated has brought her back to her own experience of sexual assault—and to the realities so many survivors face in its aftermath. she talks about the expectation of a "perfect victim," the many ways our bodies and minds respond to trauma, and why reporting sexual violence can ask survivors to surrender some of the most private and painful parts of their lives to public scrutiny.

but this conversation isn't only about what happens after sexual violence. it's also about what we can do differently.

angie reflects on raising a teenage son and why preventing sexual violence has to mean teaching boys far more than simply "don't rape." it means conversations about consent, bodily autonomy, emotional regulation, respect, accountability, and the responsibility to challenge other men when something isn't right. it also means refusing to place the burden of preventing sexual violence entirely on women and girls.

in this episode:

• why there is no "perfect" way for a survivor to respond to trauma
• the scrutiny survivors can face after sexual violence
• why so many assaults are never reported
• angie's own experience with sexual assault and its aftermath
• knowing when to step away from difficult news and take care of yourself
• moving through rage, grief, helplessness, and hope
• what we need to teach boys about consent and bodily autonomy
• teaching young men to challenge harmful behavior in other men
• taking the burden of preventing sexual violence off women and girls
• why survivors never owe anyone their stories
• the power of speaking when and if we are ready
• choosing to believe that talking about these things can help change them

nearly one in five women in the u.s. has experienced rape in her lifetime. these aren't stories belonging to some distant group of women. they are our sisters, our mothers, our daughters, our friends and coworkers.

they are us. we are jane doe.

and still, angie doesn't want to end this conversation in hopelessness.

survivors are talking. parents can teach differently. men can hold other men accountable. communities can choose to protect people instead of protecting their image. and those who are ready to tell their stories can help someone else feel a little less alone.

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what if the next chapter doesn't require you to rush into it?

in this shorty episode, angie checks in after ten weeks of what she said to reflect on where the show has been, where it's going, and the fullness of the season she's in right now.

she shares what's changing at what she said—including a slower rhythm, some familiar voices returning as co-hosts, and more space for the deeper, wider conversations she's been craving. after a brief september break, the show will return in october with a slightly new iteration and plenty more to explore.

angie also shares what's unfolding beyond the podcast: growing her business alongside one of her best friends, turning her former airbnb into a new office and podcast studio, approaching 50, preparing for her son to eventually leave for college, and finding herself surrounded by friendships and relationships that make this particular season feel especially full.

in this shorty:

• reflecting on the first ten weeks of what she said
• why the show is shifting toward deeper conversations and familiar voices
• giving herself permission to move away from a weekly schedule
• the women and friendships holding different versions of her through life's seasons
• growing a business alongside a best friend
• creating a new home for the podcast
• approaching 50 with excitement instead of dread
• making room for change while staying present for what's here now
• why this chapter feels much more like a beginning than an ending

consider this the end of a little season one—and a glimpse of what's coming next.

thank you for being here, for listening, and for growing alongside us. we'll see you in october. 🤍

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what if we gave ourselves a little more grace for doing all of this for the first time?

a note before listening: this conversation includes discussions of depression, mental health treatment, sexual assault, and childhood sexual abuse. please take care of yourself while listening.

in this episode, angie sits down with her friend mindy kordash-shim for an honest conversation about motherhood, mental health, friendship, healing, and learning to hold a little more compassion for yourself along the way.

mindy shares how becoming a mother of two challenged her sense of identity, the depression that followed, and her experience seeking help after other treatments weren't giving her the relief she needed. she opens up about undergoing transcranial magnetic stimulation (tms), what it felt like to slowly come back to herself, and the importance of continuing to look for support when something isn't working.

the conversation also moves into some of the harder experiences mindy has carried throughout her life, including sexual assault, the ways she learned to push those experiences down, and what it has looked like to revisit them as an adult and a mother. through it all, mindy reflects on friendship, speaking your truth, and finding compassion without minimizing the harm we've experienced.

in this episode:

• the identity shift that can come with motherhood
• giving yourself grace when parenting feels hard
• the importance of friendships where you can say the hard things out loud
• mindy's experience with depression and seeking treatment
• her experience with transcranial magnetic stimulation (tms)
• recognizing what it feels like to begin coming back to yourself
• processing past trauma at a different stage of life
• speaking honestly about harm instead of keeping quiet for the comfort of others
• navigating differences with the people we love
• holding compassion for ourselves and the complicated humanity of others

mindy's reminder is a simple one we could probably all use: this is your first time doing this. you deserve to have a soft spot for yourself.

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what does financial security look like when the rules you thought you could rely on no longer seem to apply?

in this episode, angie sits down with her friend grace tinsen, an international best-selling author and affordability coach whose relationship with money changed dramatically after she lost nearly everything during a recession.

grace shares how divorce, foreclosure, and bankruptcy forced her to start over—and how that experience ultimately led her into a 21-year career in finance. now, in her seventies, she's building something new again: helping people rethink what it means to afford their lives in an economic landscape that looks very different from the one many of us planned for.

together, angie and grace talk about money, shame, emotional spending, housing, retirement, and why financial freedom may have less to do with having more and more to do with knowing what is enough. they also explore what it means to keep finding purpose as we age—and to hold both the vibrancy of getting older and the reality that our bodies may change along the way.

in this episode:

• losing everything and rebuilding from the ground up
• starting over after divorce, foreclosure, and bankruptcy
• letting go of financial shame
• why the old money rules may no longer fit the world we're living in
• separating what we need from what we want
• emotional spending and our relationship with "stuff"
• rethinking housing and what financial stability can look like
• finding freedom through living below your means
• planning for uncertainty at every stage of life
• finding new meaning and purpose in retirement
• staying engaged with life while honoring the realities of an aging body

grace's story is a reminder that starting over doesn't belong to any one age—and neither does building a life that feels meaningful, secure, and entirely your own.

find more from grace:

you can find grace at the reasoned life collective, where she offers perspective and resources to help people navigate this stressful economic time.

website: the reasoned life collective
substack: the reasoned life collective

resource mentioned in this episode:
financial independence calculator from the good life journey

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what happens when the tools designed to help us begin to replace our own knowing? in part two of angie's conversation with annie browning, they pick up where they left off: with attention, discernment, and the importance of creating enough space to hear ourselves. this time, they turn toward artificial intelligence and what it means to maintain our sovereignty in a world where it's becoming increasingly easy to outsource our thinking, our decisions, and even our voices.

together, they explore what makes us uniquely human, the wisdom we hold beyond our rational minds, and the feminine ways of knowing we may have learned to discount. they also talk about anger, intuition, embodied wisdom, and what might become possible when we begin questioning the beliefs and systems we've accepted as our own.

in this episode:

• maintaining our sovereignty in the age of ai
• knowing when a helpful tool becomes a substitute for our own discernment
• what makes us uniquely human
• mortality and how knowing our time is finite changes the way we live
• reconnecting with intuition and embodied ways of knowing
• the masculine and feminine within all of us
• giving ourselves permission to feel anger
• questioning the beliefs and systems we've accepted as our own
• choosing signal over noise
• why slowing down may be exactly what moves us forward

this is part two of angie's conversation with annie. if you haven't listened to part one, making space to hear yourself, start there and then come back for the rest of this expansive conversation.

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www.emergenetics.com

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what happens when we're constantly taking in more than we have time to process?

in part one of this two-part conversation, angie sits down with her longtime friend annie browning, a psychotherapist and mystic whose work lives at the intersection of consciousness, psychology, and leadership. together, they explore what it means to be conscious in a world competing constantly for our attention—and why creating space to actually process what we're consuming may be more important than ever. annie shares practical ways she is widening her own perception, cultivating intentional solitude, and learning to distinguish her own voice from the endless stream of information around her.

in this episode:

• what consciousness actually means—and why it isn't the same as spirituality
• how information overload affects our ability to perceive and process
• widening our attention instead of constantly narrowing it
• annie's two-to-one practice for consuming and processing information
• intentional solitude and creating space to hear your own voice
• questioning the beliefs and mental models we've already formed
• getting comfortable with being alone
• why slowing down can help us become more discerning, creative, and self-directed

and this is only part one. next week, angie and annie take the conversation into artificial intelligence, discernment, and what parts of being human we need to protect as technology becomes increasingly present in our lives.

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what if the most meaningful life isn't the one everyone expects you to live?

in this episode, angie sits down with her sister-in-law, libby birky, to explore what it means to build a life rooted in service, simplicity, and community. from co-founding SAME cafe (so all may eat) to embracing life on the road after stepping away, libby shares how choosing purpose over convention has shaped every season of her life.

in this episode:

• growing up with a heart for service
• the story behind founding SAME cafe (so all may eat)
• why listening changed their original vision
• creating a place rooted in dignity, belonging, and healthy food access
• living simply and redefining what "enough" looks like
• knowing when it was time to let go
• embracing the freedom of the road
• choosing purpose over convention, again and again

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