what does it really take to create a world where people feel safe, respected, and free to be themselves?

a note before listening: this conversation includes discussions of rape, sexual violence, trauma, and the challenges survivors face in the aftermath. please take care of yourself while listening—or come back to this conversation another time.

in this episode of what she said, angie welcomes back her friend lindsay skatrud for the kind of conversation they've been looking forward to having more of—two friends sitting down, picking up where they left off, and making space for whatever comes up.

following angie's recent solo episode, what angie said: we are jane doe, lindsay begins by checking in with angie about what it felt like to share her personal experience with sexual assault. what follows is a thoughtful and deeply personal conversation about the ways we respond to sexual violence, the systems that allow harmful behavior to persist, and what it might look like to begin changing those systems.

drawing on her own experience in greek life, lindsay reflects on the culture of fraternities and sororities, the pressure to belong, and the ways group dynamics can make it difficult to challenge harmful behavior. angie shares her perspective as the mother of a teenage son preparing to leave for college, including the conversations they've had about consent, accountability, and what it means to speak up when something isn't right.

from there, the conversation turns to lindsay's experience raising a young daughter—and a perspective on boundaries that feels especially important. rather than focusing solely on teaching children to establish boundaries, what if we focused more on teaching the adults around them to respect the boundaries they already have?

angie and lindsay also explore the ways we can create meaningful change closer to home, whether through parenting, our workplaces, or our local communities. lindsay shares how her approach to advocacy has evolved with motherhood and how she's found opportunities to make a difference through her work.

and, because it's lindsay, the conversation wouldn't be complete without a little astrology. drawing from the chani app by chani nicholas, lindsay shares insights about her north node in aquarius, her nodal return, and the connection between her astrological chart and the themes of justice, joy, and collective care that have woven their way through the entire conversation.

in this episode:

• why lindsay wanted to revisit angie's conversation about sexual assault
• what it felt like for angie to share her story publicly
• raising a teenage son in a culture that still struggles with consent and accountability
• lindsay's firsthand experience with greek life and its complicated systems
• the pressure to belong and the difficulty of speaking up
• how small, everyday boundary violations can shape what we come to accept
• raising children who trust their instincts and know their boundaries matter
• why respecting children's autonomy starts with the adults around them
• finding meaningful ways to create change within our own communities
• recognizing the humanity of others through our work and everyday interactions
• lindsay's nodal return, north node in aquarius, and reflections from the chani app
• making room for joy, pleasure, and the freedom to be ourselves

throughout this conversation, angie and lindsay keep coming back to the same idea: we may not be able to change everything happening around us, but we can pay attention to how we show up for the people in our lives.

we can raise children who understand respect. we can honor another person's boundaries. we can create workplaces where people feel seen and supported. and we can continue having conversations that challenge us to think differently.

perhaps that's where meaningful change begins—in the ways we choose to treat one another, every day.

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