On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes Benjamin Kanner, CEO and co-founder of 3V Infrastructure, a company focused on delivering long-term, scalable EV charging solutions for multifamily portfolios. With a background spanning commercial real estate, renewable energy project finance, and multiple startups, Ben brings a uniquely holistic view of how electrification intersects with property ownership and investor demand. His company's model—installing, owning, and operating EV chargers at no cost to property owners—creates a compelling new amenity for renters while helping owners stay ahead of rapidly shifting consumer expectations.

Throughout the conversation, Ben and Jonathan discuss the accelerating adoption of electric vehicles, why multifamily properties sit at the center of this transition, and the economic forces shaping the need for reliable, long-dwell charging infrastructure. Ben explains the cost drivers behind EV ownership, how modular battery technology is evolving, and why Level 2 charging is the most practical option for home-based needs. He also breaks down how 3V underwrites utilization, diversifies risk across large portfolios, and helps property owners increase rents and tenant satisfaction—all without capital outlay.

Listeners will gain a deeper understanding of how EV charging impacts NOI, what's really happening with power demand, why used EV markets will expand rapidly, and how owners can prepare their buildings for the next decade of transportation needs. Whether you're an LP, a multifamily operator, or simply curious about electrification, this episode highlights the strategic advantage of early adoption.

• Why EV adoption has crossed a national inflection point and what that means for multifamily owners.

• How 3V Infrastructure finances, installs, and maintains EV chargers with no upfront cost to operators.

• The economics of EV ownership—including maintenance, fueling costs, and battery modularity.

• Why Level 2 charging is ideal for long-dwell environments like apartment communities.

• The role of data, utilization modeling, and EV "rent rolls" in determining charger counts.

• How electrification, grid demand, and infrastructure investment will shape the next decade of CRE.

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Connect with Benjamin:

Website: https://www.3vinfrastructure.com/

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This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan sits down with capital-raising expert and Managing Director of M1 Real Capital Marcin Drozdz. With a track record of raising nine figures across multiple funds and mentoring over a thousand operators through his M1 Inner Circle, Marcin brings a clear, principled perspective to building long-term investor relationships, structuring funds, and understanding how capital really moves in today's marketplace. His journey from an immigrant childhood in communist Poland to raising hundreds of millions in U.S. real estate adds valuable context to how he approaches trust, process, and scale.

Throughout the conversation, Jonathan and Marcin break down the realities of capital raising across economic cycles, the importance of people-first frameworks, and how new investors should think about syndications versus funds. Marcin shares his 3P method—people, process, portfolio—and explains why most syndicators get this backwards. He also dives into how credibility is built over years, not online clips, and why understanding investor pain points is critical to positioning the right opportunities for the right individuals.

Listeners will gain insight into how large fund managers think, how to evaluate deals through the lens of return of capital before return on capital, and how authentic relationship-building still drives success—even in a social media–driven world. Whether you're raising capital, investing passively, or trying to understand the current commercial cycle, this episode offers a grounded, experienced perspective.

• Marcin's 3P capital-raising framework and why people—not deals—must come first.

• The value of mentorship and apprenticing before raising capital on your own.

• How funds differ from single-asset syndications and when each structure makes sense.

• The importance of protecting downside risk and prioritizing return of capital.

• Why authentic long-term content—not hype—drives investor trust.

• How today's debt wall may create a unique acquisition window in multifamily.

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Connect with Marcin

Website: https://www.marcindrozdz.com/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@therealmarcindrozdz

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/realmarcindrozdz

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realmarcindrozdz/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcindrozdz/

Special Link: https://www.marcindrozdz.ca/optin-podcastm1?utm_source=zenandtheartofrei

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Website - www.streamlined.properties

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Email - info@streamlined.properties

This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes back multifamily investor, financial educator, and newly certified money coach Gino Barbaro. Known for his work with Jake & Gino and his educational focus on long-term wealth, Gino joins Jonathan to unpack the deeper connection between money, mindset, family values, and building a legacy. The discussion moves beyond real estate strategy into the emotional and psychological frameworks that shape financial behavior across generations.

As the conversation unfolds, Jonathan and Gino explore how childhood experiences influence adult money patterns, why transparency within families matters, and how parents can introduce financial literacy without pressure or fear. Gino also breaks down his philosophy on treating households like businesses, teaching kids financial stewardship, and why thinking like your own "family office" can radically change long-term outcomes.

Listeners will come away with a clearer understanding of how to build a mindful, value-driven approach to wealth that supports both personal growth and multigenerational stability. Whether you're raising kids, investing for the first time, or rethinking your relationship with money, this episode offers practical wisdom and grounded inspiration.

• How early memories form unconscious money patterns that affect adult decision-making.

• Why teaching kids autonomy, financial literacy, and values matters more than pushing real estate.

• The importance of transparency around wealth, planning, and tax strategy within families.

• Gino's framework for thinking like a "family office" at any net worth level.

• How real estate fits into long-term legacy building beyond just assets and cash flow.

• Why aligning values, mindset, and financial systems creates more stable generational wealth.

If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth.

Connect with Gino:

Website: https://barbaro360.com

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@barbaro-360

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JoinGinosFamily

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gino-barbaro-03973b4b/

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Website - www.streamlined.properties

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Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j

Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene

Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties

Email - info@streamlined.properties

This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

Jonathan Greene welcomes interior designer, real estate investor, and New York State licensed agent Mackenzie Grate to the show for a conversation about design-forward investing, building a rental portfolio from scratch, and choosing the right strategy for your lifestyle. Mackenzie, known as "Mac of All Trades," shares how she shifted from working as an assistant principal to becoming a full-time investor and designer, starting with her first long-term rental in Kingston and eventually expanding into short-term rentals, multifamily properties, and design consulting.

Jonathan and Mackenzie explore mindset, risk tolerance, and how every investor evolves over time. Mackenzie explains why being clear about your investor identity matters, how to avoid overspending on design choices, and why community and local knowledge are essential for success. Her experience highlights the balance between creativity, practicality, and long-term planning.

Listeners will learn what it truly takes to build a sustainable portfolio, from selecting the right first property to managing guest expectations and making design decisions that enhance both functionality and profitability. Mackenzie's combination of design expertise and hands-on investing experience offers thoughtful guidance for anyone looking to build a portfolio that performs.

• How Mackenzie bought her first long-term rental while working full-time in education

• The most common design mistakes investors make and how to avoid unnecessary spending

• Why knowing your investor identity should guide every strategic decision

• How local market knowledge and relationships support short-term rental success

• What realistic scaling looks like for new investors

• Why your first property does not need to be your dream property

If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth.

Connect with Mackenzie:

Website: www.moatinteriordesigns.com

Instagram: @Mackofalltrades

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Website - www.streamlined.properties

YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos

Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene

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Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene

Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties

Email - info@streamlined.properties

This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

Jonathan Greene sits down with Chris Grenzig, founder of JAG Property Management and JAG Capital Partners, a vertically integrated multifamily firm focused on Jacksonville and Orlando. Chris walks through his evolution from working at Toro to moving markets, taking on a 16-unit value-add deal, and learning property and construction management by doing. He and Jonathan explore what it's been like to operate through COVID, explosive rent growth, and then a sharp pullback in Florida.

As the conversation unfolds, Chris breaks down how he approached that first 16-unit acquisition, the role his prior asset management experience played, and why local market knowledge became his unfair advantage. He speaks candidly about Florida's recent "perfect storm" of falling rents, rising insurance, and higher interest rates, and how those forces have impacted his portfolio and his investors. Chris and Jonathan also get tactical on out-of-state investing, the limits of BRRRR and flipping in today's environment, and the differences between property management and true asset management.

Listeners will come away with a grounded understanding of what it really looks like to buy, renovate, refinance, and hold in a shifting market—and how to keep investor trust when the numbers don't go as planned. Chris's experience navigating tough cycles in Florida offers real-world lessons on conservative underwriting, staying honest with investors, and building a property management business that serves both accidental landlords and more sophisticated owners.

• How Chris transitioned from working at Toro to moving to Jacksonville and taking on his own 16-unit value-add property

• Why he chose to self-manage and oversee construction on a deal he'd never managed at that level before

• How COVID, rent drops, rising insurance, and interest rate hikes combined into a "perfect storm" for Florida multifamily

• Why local market knowledge and conservative underwriting matter more than ever in today's environment

• The realities and limitations of flipping and BRRRR strategies in higher-rate, higher-cost markets

• What investors should look for in a property manager—and why asset management and property management are not the same thing

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Connect with Chris Grenzig:

Website: https://orlandoproperty.management/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chris.grenzig

Instagram: https://instagram.com/chris.grenzig

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-grenzig/

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Website - www.streamlined.properties

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Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene

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Email - info@streamlined.properties

This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

Jonathan Greene sits down with self-storage investor and operator Joe Downs, CEO of Bellrose Storage Group, which sources, acquires, and manages self-storage facilities across the East and Southeast. With a background in commercial real estate, capital raising, and distressed second mortgages, Joe explains how he pivoted into self-storage after discovering just how mom-and-pop dominated and under-optimized the space really was.

Their conversation explores why self-storage is still far from "too late," how technology and remote management have transformed operations, and why small, overlooked facilities under 30,000 square feet can be a goldmine for investors willing to modernize them. Joe also breaks down creative plays like boat and RV storage, industrial outdoor storage, and converting large vacant retail boxes into multi-revenue storage campuses.

Listeners will come away with a grounded understanding of why self-storage is such a powerful niche, what to look for in a mom-and-pop facility, and how to avoid overpaying by underwriting expenses correctly. Joe and Jonathan also discuss the importance of relationships and "caretaker" mentality with long-time owners, the role of SBA loans, and how to keep shiny object syndrome in check while still recognizing adjacent opportunities.

In this episode, you will hear:

• How Joe went from distressed debt and 1031 capital raising to building a self-storage platform

• Why self-storage is still largely mom-and-pop owned and what that means for opportunity

• How technology, remote management, and autopay have transformed facility operations

• What to look for in a first small storage acquisition and how to approach owners as a "caretaker"

• The importance of underwriting real expenses (marketing, tech, management) so you don't overpay

• Creative self-storage derivatives, including boat and RV storage, IOS, and big-box retail conversions
  
  
  

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Website: https://belrosegrp.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/belrosestoragegroup

Twitter: @downsjoe

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-downs-7990851/

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Website - www.streamlined.properties

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Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene

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Email - info@streamlined.properties

This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.