Have you ever gotten so far inside your own head that something that might happen suddenly feels like something that definitely will happen? That’s what we call some good old-fashioned “Stinkin’ Thinkin’.”

We all have thoughts that can run wild, worry about work, fear about the future, lust, anger, insecurity, comparison, resentment, or even entire conversations with people that never actually happened. We may not be able to control every thought that enters our minds, but we don’t have to give every thought permission to stay.

In Episode 40 of Two Pastors: Conversations About Everything, Jason and Robby dig into Paul’s words in 2 Corinthians 10:5 about taking “every thought captive.” What does that actually look like in everyday life? How do we recognize when worry has turned into an irrational story we’re telling ourselves? And how do prayer, Scripture, and the renewing of our minds help us separate what feels true from what actually is true?

We also talk about the important difference between everyday thoughts that need to be challenged and real mental-health struggles that may require professional help. Faith, prayer, counseling, and mental-health care don’t have to compete with one another.

So, what thoughts are you allowing to run wild? Maybe it’s time to take some of that Stinkin’ Thinkin’ captive.

Join us for Episode 40: “Stinkin’ Thinkin’.”

This week, we tackle one of the most difficult and sensitive conversations we’ve had: suicide, salvation, and the church.

For generations, many Christians heard a simple and frightening message: “If you die by suicide, you go straight to hell.” But where did that belief come from? Is that actually what Scripture teaches? And if the way the church talks about suicide has changed, what changed?

In this episode, we talk honestly about suicide, salvation, grace, mental health, and the responsibility of the church to be a place where people can say, “I’m not okay.” We also discuss how greater understanding of mental health has changed the conversation and why fear and shame should never replace compassion, presence, and hope.

We’ll also highlight the work of HERE 4 A REASON and the difference suicide-prevention organizations are making in our communities.

This is a heavy conversation, but an important one. Because maybe the question isn’t only what we believe happens after someone dies by suicide. Maybe the church also needs to ask: How do we love people well enough before they ever reach that point?

If you or someone you know is struggling or experiencing thoughts of suicide, call or text 988 to reach the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Help is available 24/7.

You are not alone. There is help. There is hope.

Episode 38: Barstools and Church Pews

Why do people keep going back to their favorite bar, restaurant, or coffee shop? Sure, they may like what’s being served, but often it’s because somebody knows their name. Somebody listens. Somebody notices when they’re gone. They feel like they belong.

Shouldn’t the church be even better at that?

In this episode, Jason and Robby talk about hospitality in the church and the difference between simply being “friendly” and creating a culture where people genuinely feel seen, valued, and welcomed. Robby draws from 30 years in the hospitality industry and his work on Radical Hospitality, while Jason revisits the biblical story of Ananias welcoming Saul and what it teaches us about making room for people we might not expect.

Because hospitality isn’t just the job of the greeters, and it isn’t about increasing attendance. It’s about reflecting the welcome we have already received from Jesus.

Whether it’s a barstool or a church pew, people want to know they matter.

Welcomed people welcome people.