Barbara and Jacie share “hot takes” after CIRSx 2026 in Fort Lauderdale. Barbara attended in person and Jacie watched virtually. They discuss feeling “weird vibes” and a more corporate yet conflicted identity, with misalignment about whether the conference is for providers, patients, or remediators, and concerns about limited innovation within the Shoemaker community. They encourage practitioners to seek innovation through CIRS Lab and mention Dr. Lacey Venanzi and Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres’ work. They highlight standout talks from Brian Tinker on safe homes, Dr. Venanzi on endotoxemia/actinos in the gut, Mike Pelletier on patient lifestyle changes, Dr. Kellyn Milani on being stalked by a patient, Louise Carter on GENIE patterns, Jack Goetz on building a CIRS-conscious home, and Kayleigh Concannon on low-tox furnishings, while noting many other talks felt unhelpful and lacking actionable takeaways.

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TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro: CIRSx 01:11 Hot Takes explained 03:25 Medical Disclaimer 03:48 Weird Conference Vibes 06:30 Who is CIRSx for? 07:57 Innovation beyond Shoemaker 10:56 Gatekeeping and publishing pressure 14:53 Tell me why I'm watching this 18:22 Standout talks and teasers 30:00 Up next!

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LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE: If you're a health coach or practitioner in the CIRS space, join the practitioner membership at https://www.cirslab.com/ Our recent episode with Dr. Christian and Dr. Lacey: https://youtu.be/7H6CKEhIMSU?si=Dr18_Gg8fpZfkKsh Dr. Christian and Dr. Lacey's new podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@CoherenceDX

Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs

The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/

Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/

Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara

Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

In this The CIRS Group Podcast episode, Jacie and Barbara explain MARCoNS (multiple antibiotic resistant coagulase-negative staphylococci) as a common deep nasal colonization in CIRS patients and why it’s addressed as step three in the Shoemaker Protocol (after leaving exposure and using binders). They discuss how MARCoNS may perpetuate inflammation and low MSH, what symptoms can look like, and how to test via a deep nasal swab (ordered from MicrobiologyDX). They review Shoemaker-style treatments such as EDTA with silver, BEG spray, plus alternatives like xylitol sprays, ozone, red light therapy, and propolis sprays, along with titration and irritation considerations. They also cover why MARCoNS can recur (ongoing exposure, incomplete eradication, pets, personal items), debate whether MARCoNS is cause vs result, and mention broader nasal testing (MicroGenDX Sinus Key) and evolving approaches beyond the patented Shoemaker Protocol. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro 01:31 What MARCoNS Means 02:41 Colonization vs Infection 03:30 Why you should care about MARCoNs 05:56 MARCoNs Symptoms 09:29 Timing your treatment for MARCoNs 10:41 Testing technique 14:32 How to understand your test results 15:55 Shoemaker-endorsed treatment for MARCoNs 20:37 Other options for treatment 28:58 Why do MARCoNs take hold, and why does it keep it from coming back 32:11 Do MARCoNS really matter? 34:49 Beyond MARCoNS sinus testing 36:40 The next frontier of sinus testing and treatment

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LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE: Order your own MARCoNs test: https://www.microbiologydx.com/order-collection-kits Our interview with Dr. Andrew Heyman: https://youtu.be/WwTRQTuUeC8?si=3HfIk0fE7OCCygj6 The CIRS Summit (to view Christian's talk on nasal treatments): https://cirs-summit-2025.heysummit.com/talks/how-the-latest-nasal-swab-testing-can-help-you-heal/ Order your own SinusKey test: https://patients.microgendx.com/products/sinuskey

Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs

The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/

Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/

Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara

Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

On this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, hosts Jacie and Barbara interview Dr. Andrew Heyman about Dr. Naviaux’s cell danger response (CDR) framework and why it can explain stalled recoveries in chronic mold-related illness and CIRS. Heyman describes how mitochondrial “danger mode” drives three phases: initial inflammation (innate immune activation), rebuilding via aerobic glycolysis, and reintegration requiring “all clear” signals like VIP, which positions CIRS as a subset of CDR. He emphasizes total toxic load (mold/biotoxins plus chemicals, metals, infections, gut-derived endotoxins, physical trauma, and emotional trauma), and discusses the neuroendocrine-immune axis (VIP, MSH, PACAP) and autonomic/vagal tone as key to recovery. He outlines his BeyondMold.com five-phase clinical program: environment/binders and chemical detox support, pathogen work, gut optimization, metabolic/hormone rebuilding with nervous system support, and a final readiness-to-heal/phenotyping phase using targeted safety signals (including VIP forms).

TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro to Dr. Andrew Heyman 02:38 What Is Cell Danger Response? 06:38 CIRS in the context of Cell Danger Response: changing gene expression 12:18 The role of total toxic load and co-infections 16:52 How the nervous system is affected by Cell Danger Response 22:27 Why having a solid practitioner in your corner is so important 23:56 The limitations of CIRS diagnostic testing 28:47 Beyond Mold framework for healing in five phases 37:18 Are you ready to heal? 46:16 Advice for stalled patients 51:14 How to work with Dr. Heyman and Beyond Mold

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WORK WITH DR. HEYMAN: https://beyondmold.com/ Dr. Heyman Q&A mentioned in the outro: https://www.youtube.com/live/EWoki09eHhk

Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs

The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/

Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/

Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara

Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

Barbara and Jacie wrap up their five-part Shoemaker Protocol series with Phase 5: Repair and Restore. This phase focuses on normalizing innate immune markers (MMP-9, C3a, C4a, and TGFb1) and restoring brain volume. They explain that low-starch/gluten-free diet helps bring down MMP-9, while persistently elevated C3a/C4a or TGFb1 often signal ongoing exposure, gut issues, tick-borne illness, or dental cavitations. The episode culminates with VIP (vasoactive intestinal peptide) nasal spray (the most anticipated step of the entire protocol!) which supports anti-inflammatory pathways, neurological function, and brain volume restoration over 6–12 months.

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TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction: Phase Five 01:24 Medical Disclaimer 01:55 Innate Immune Markers and VIP Nasal Spray 02:50 Understanding MMP-9 05:14 C3a and C4a Markers 07:20 TGFb1 08:18 VIP Spray Treatment 10:34 Closing Thoughts

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Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs

The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/

Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/

Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara

Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

In this CIRS Group Podcast episode, Jacie and Barbara cover phase four of the Shoemaker Protocol, focused on restoring normal metabolic function after biotoxin elimination. They explain that this phase may include supporting detox pathways for “normal” toxins and heavy metals (e.g., daily bowel movements, B vitamins, methylation support, sauna or hot baths, lymphatic techniques, and using binders like charcoal or clay for inorganic toxins), addressing androgen/sex hormone imbalance linked to low MSH (including signs of low testosterone or estrogen dominance, supplementing DHEA), and correcting fluid/electrolyte balance via ADH regulation (symptoms like thirst, frequent urination, nocturia, and static shocks). They discuss electrolyte options, a DIY recipe, and provider-monitored desmopressin if needed, and note this phase can also involve investigating other lingering issues or co-infections before moving to phase five. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Welcome to Phase Four 01:00 The purpose of repairing damage done by CIRS 03:14 Detox Pathways basics 05:33 Binders for heavy metals 07:05 Androgen & hormone balance 09:40 Fluid and Electrolyte Issues: ADH/Osmolality 12:21 Electrolyte options 14:12 Desmopressin reset explained 15:41 Tidying up and co-infections 17:22 Next Phase and wrap up

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LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE: Electrolyte caps Barbara uses: https://redmond.life/products/re-lyte-hydration-support-plus-caps LMNT Recipe (check FAQ): https://drinklmnt.com/pages/ingredients

Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs

The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/

Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/

Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara

Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

Struggling with stubborn biotoxin illness (CIRS) and feeling stuck in your recovery? In this episode, we break down some of the most important (and often overlooked) steps in the Shoemaker Protocol, including binders, MARCoNS treatment, and gut support. Learn how binders like cholestyramine and Welchol work differently to remove biotoxins, why the wrong detox approach can trigger setbacks, and how to track your progress with tools like the Visual Contrast Sensitivity (VCS) test. We also dive into MARCoNS: why it's so common in CIRS patients, how it impacts MSH and overall health, and the treatment options available, from prescription nasal sprays to over-the-counter approaches. Plus, we discuss biofilms, reinfection risks, pet testing, and practical strategies for breaking the cycle. Whether you're just getting started or looking to optimize your treatment plan, this episode will help you better understand the next critical steps in recovering from CIRS and mold-related illness. None of this is medical advice: always consult your CIRS practitioner for what treatment is right for you.

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TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction & Recap 02:54 - Why phase three is the most anticipated part of recovery 03:26 - The most effective binders for detoxification: Cholestyramine and Welchol 06:00 - Over-the-counter binder options: Mycobind and Chitosan 07:05 - The importance of using the correctly charged binders 09:21 - Visual Contrast Sensitivity test: tracking biotoxin effects 13:00 - Treating MARCoNs: nasal testing, nasal sprays, and herbal options 14:15 - Cycle of MARCoNs and MSH depletion 16:19 - Nasal testing resources and nasal spray treatments (EDTA, BEG spray, X Lear) 17:35 - Testing the nasal biome with Sinus Key 19:14 - Impact of diet, microbiome, and specific food sensitivities on gut healing 25:14 - Supporting detox through bowel movements with magnesium 26:26 - The importance of sequencing treatment steps for optimum results 27:23 - Encouragement to stay on track, subscribe, and support the channel

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LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE: Our Binders episode: https://youtu.be/KAQfLXuPjFI?si=TcJo-YDEjVLNInqW Visual Contrast Sensitivity (VCS) test options: https://www.vcstest.com/ https://www.survivingmold.com/store/online-vcs-screening https://beyondmold.com/product/visual-contrast-sensitivity-test/ MARCoNs test: https://www.microbiologydx.com/order-collection-kits SinusKey test: https://patients.microgendx.com/products/sinuskey Actinos episode where we reference the SinusKey: https://youtu.be/2rCXhUP6dbY?si=MBT7_esd0edmfhCX Dr. Christian Navarro Torres' website to book a consult: https://www.cirslab.com/ Dr. Andrea Jordheim's website to work with her: https://mytransformationwellness.com/ Our interview with Dr. Lacey Venanzi: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=wExZGivhkEALSR4O Our second interview with Dr. Lacey: https://youtu.be/7H6CKEhIMSU?si=WrMPttnfyRq2aMvC Dr. Lacey's website to work with her: https://www.drlacey.org/

Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs

The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/

Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/

Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara

Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

Is mold colonization the same as CIRS? Could what looks like a fungal infection actually be something else entirely? In this episode, Barbara is joined by Dr. Lacey Venanzi and Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres to break down the difference between mold/fungal colonization and chronic inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS), explore the surprisingly important role of actinobacteria, and walk through practical, affordable treatment strategies: from pharmaceutical antifungals to botanicals and nasal rinsing. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro 01:19 Meet the guests: Dr. Lacey Venanzi & Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres 02:25 What is mold or fungal colonization? 05:01 Is fungal overgrowth a root cause or a downstream effect? 06:08 CIRS vs. fungal colonization: Two distinct diagnoses 07:45 Symptoms of fungal colonization (skin, gut, sinuses, cravings) 10:56 Pharmaceutical antifungals and herbal antifungals 15:30 Risks of using antifungals in CIRS patients 17:25 Why some patients improve on antifungals 19:55 Why timing matters: get out of exposure first 22:25 Actinobacteria: the overlooked player in CIRS 24:19 How actinobacteria mimics fungal infections 26:32 Testing: options, limitations & what to look for 28:15 Key botanical treatments: Horopito, thyme, clove, eucalyptus & tea tree 29:00 Affordable testing options for patients 32:20 Safe steps patients can take (Horopito) 32:49 Dilute the bacteria, lower the burden: cleaning and motility 33:56 Probiotics & prebiotics for fungal/actino burden 35:36 Topical treatment: Horopito Lotion 37:05 Nasal treatment: saline & baby shampoo technique 39:00 Barbara's saline rinse tips & real-world experience 44:03 Why baby shampoo works (surfactants explained) 45:11 Horopito cream for nasal & skin use 47:10 Coherence DX and additional resources

Check out Dr. Lacey and Dr. Christian's new company Coherence DX! https://www.coherencedx.com/ YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@CoherenceDX Dr. Lacey's website: https://www.drlacey.org/ Dr. Christian's website: https://www.cirslab.com/

LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE: Our Actinos Episode: https://youtu.be/yf9EoTbyAEo?si=nZIZAAlPlBgnObfI Our Actinos Cleaning episode: https://youtu.be/2rCXhUP6dbY?si=TRx356TkQBm1BBJn Our first interview with Dr. Lacey: https://youtu.be/baldT8N7nl4?si=8tHFQCKqrLxiFESq Our latest interview with Dr. Christian: https://youtu.be/Lc_LfUeiYTM?si=6CFLE6w71gtSqStj CSA (comprehensive stool analysis) from ParasiteTesting.com: https://www.parasitetesting.com/CSA?srsltid=AfmBOor_itSEGDFWmeorkB2spnrFXO48-f07lwE7G8V8Hc9NxB4Y92AJ Cheap gut test: https://www.ombrelab.com/products/ombre-gut-health-test?selling_plan=2189295771 More comprehensive gut test: https://www.tinyhealth.com/adult-test SinusKey nose test: https://patients.microgendx.com/products/sinuskey Horopito capsules: https://kolorex.com/collections/gut-care/products/candia-balance-gut-care-60 Dr. Lacey's favorite probiotics: BioGaia: https://a.co/d/0cQZgJhw Florastor: https://a.co/d/09oFxiLs Sun Fiber: https://a.co/d/0hkdbUZh Horopito topical cream (the gentlest option): https://kolorex.com/products/vaginal-care-cream Neti Pot Barbara uses: https://a.co/d/08DKajTT Nasal swabs Barbara uses: https://a.co/d/0fgglU5f Fragrance free Baby Shampoo: https://www.target.com/p/johnson-39-s-sensitive-care-baby-2-in-1-body-wash-38-shampoo-lightly-scented-13-5-fl-oz/-/A-87442350#lnk=sametab

Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs

The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/

Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/

Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara

Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

Jacie and Barbara cover Phase Two (part two of five) of the Shoemaker Protocol for CIRS, focusing on foundational steps before starting binders:

Lipid replacement therapy (primarily fish oil) to lower inflammation and help prevent common binder side effects like fatigue, constipation, and overall dryness, with Shoemaker-recommended omega-3 dosing (EPA 2,400 mg and DHA 1,800 mg daily) and cautions about blood-thinning;

Limbic retraining to address errant threat signals from chronic illness, with nuance that intensive programs can be too difficult early on and may work better once out of exposure and/or on binders, while also warning against symptom suppression without addressing root causes;

And the critical priority of getting out of exposure through testing (dust tests for mold, endotoxins, and actinos), remediation or moving, and exploring hidden, internal exposures that can cause plateaus or backslides in your health. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss the next episode, all about Phase Three, removing the toxic burden!

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TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Phase Two of the Shoemaker Protocol 01:25 Why this foundational phase matters 02:54 What is Lipid Replacement? and why is it important? 06:17 Fish Oil / lipid dosing tips 08:04 Limbic Retraining explained 10:51 When Limbic Retraining backfires 14:23 Hyperreactivity Catch-22 18:25 Get out of exposure 20:42 Hidden exposures and healing stalls 22:27 Key takeaways and next phase 24:08 Wrap up and resources

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Check out these episodes mentioned in this episode: Interview with Michael Schrantz about remediation: https://youtu.be/_BEwFVdpRcY?si=mzNeGslwGjaYhWqi Interview with Bill Weber about testing your home: https://youtu.be/RlKjTqVAeNU?si=Eymfvcdk4G6kzylV Interview with Kendra Seymour on choosing a remediator or IEP: https://youtu.be/zmt9e42LLac?si=cTTvunobvEt8YL_n Dust testing 101: https://youtu.be/nRrZs7xbXcc?si=55oXFRCV5kO_p0JD Endotoxin episode: https://youtu.be/O0iKndNzfYA?si=X-iX1NoRO2U7U-QV Actinos episode part one: https://youtu.be/yf9EoTbyAEo?si=d2KUSzNpX2cs0DKE and Part two: https://youtu.be/2rCXhUP6dbY?si=wDHiSy58Vw5fZ5fa

Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs

The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/

Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/

Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara

Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.