What is the difference between a safety team and a safety ministry? In this episode, I talk about why that distinction matters more than people may think. This is about more than security, response, and readiness. It is about service, mindset, and what it means to protect the church without losing the heart of ministry.

Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley Jones

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Release Date: October 31, 2024

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Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley Jones

Written by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua Frerichs

Produced by: Joshua Frerichs

Mixed & Mastered by: Joshua Frerichs

Release Date: January 16, 2026

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In this episode, I’m joined by Rodney Carpentier, a law enforcement lieutenant and co-leader of a Behavioral Threat Assessment and Management (BTAM) team, to talk about recognizing warning signs and preventing targeted violence in churches and other houses of worship.

We discuss how concerning behavior develops, where people tend to miss it, and what churches can do to take concerns seriously without losing the heart of ministry.

Rodney also brings a unique perspective through his role as an usher in his parish, offering insight from both the law enforcement and church side of these situations.

You can learn more about Rodney and his work at:https://rlcarpentier.com/

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Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley Jones

Used with permission.

© Haley Jones

Release Date: October 31, 2024

Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley Jones

Website: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/

Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley Jones

Written by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua Frerichs

Produced by: Joshua Frerichs

Mixed & Mastered by: Joshua Frerichs

Release Date: January 16, 2026

Used with permission

Listen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

Most people think violence is random—but there are often warning signs long before anything happens.

In this episode, I’m joined by Robert Mahoney, founder of TVTP Solutions, to break down the “pathway to violence,” what behaviors to look for, and how churches can recognize and respond before a situation escalates.

Learn more about his work at: https://tvtpsolutions.com/

Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley Jones

Used with permission.

© Haley Jones

Release Date: October 31, 2024

Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley Jones

Website: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/

Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley Jones

Written by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua Frerichs

Produced by: Joshua Frerichs

Mixed & Mastered by: Joshua Frerichs

Release Date: January 16, 2026

Used With Permission

Listen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones