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Welcome to Heaven or Heisman, the podcast where we blend faith, family, and sports to help you raise confident, resilient kids. In each episode, we dive into the challenges parents face when guiding their children through the world of athletics and beyond, all while grounding our advice in Biblical principles. From helping your child practice more to building their confidence, and teaching them how to embrace failure, we offer practical tips and relatable stories to make the journey a little easier (and a lot more fun).

Whether you’re wondering how to encourage your child’s love for the game, help them develop a strong work ethic, or teach them to handle pressure with grace, Heaven or Heisman has you covered. Join us as we tackle key parenting moments in sports—balancing discipline with fun, praising effort over performance, and fostering character that lasts. Let’s navigate the world of youth sports together, one practice, one game, and one lesson at a time. Tune in for inspiring insights, faith-based wisdom, and a whole lot of heart!

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  • The Girls Episode! Keeping Girls in the Game with Morgan Schill
    Oct 16 2026

    What does it really mean to be a great sports mom—and how can we help our kids grow without getting caught up in the pressure to win? Luke and Jean sit down with former college volleyball player, coach, and Positive Play Project founder Morgan Schill to talk about the challenges of navigating youth sports today. From an intense third-grade basketball game that got a little too serious to the difference between holding kids to high standards and putting too much pressure on them, Morgan shares why competition and fun don’t have to be at odds. She also challenges parents to get intentional about what they want their kids to gain from sports, beyond wins, losses, and playing time.

    Morgan introduces the idea of “letting them carry the bag”—giving kids age-appropriate responsibility so they can develop accountability, confidence, and resilience instead of having parents step in to solve every problem. The conversation also explores why more women in coaching and sports leadership can make a meaningful difference, especially in creating supportive environments where girls feel understood and want to keep playing. Because youth sports are about so much more than the scoreboard; they’re an opportunity to build character, strengthen relationships, and develop life skills that last long after the final whistle.

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    35 min
  • 10 Tryout Intangibles
    Oct 2 2026

    What actually gives an athlete an edge at tryouts? Luke and Jean break down ten “tryout intangibles” that can make a difference when the competition gets tough—from communicating and listening to showing confidence, responding well to mistakes, playing defense, and being the teammate every coach wants on the court or field. They unpack why the little things matter, how coaches notice attitude and effort, and why a kid who hustles, encourages teammates, and bounces back after a mistake may stand out just as much as the kid with the biggest highlight reel.

    The conversation also goes beyond tryout day, challenging parents to think about the character and habits they’re helping their athletes build long before they walk into the gym. From developing a skill set without specializing too early to learning toughness, sportsmanship, and respect for coaches, Luke and Jean explore how these lessons can shape kids both in sports and in life. Because sometimes getting an edge isn’t about being the most talented player in the room—it’s about being the kind of person and teammate coaches can trust.

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    34 min
  • The Dream was MLS. The Journey was God // FC Dallas' Slade Starnes
    Sep 18 2026

    What happens when the dream you’ve chased your whole life actually comes true? Luke and Jean sit down with FC Dallas’ Slade Starnes to talk about the winding road from a childhood dream to the professional level—and the injuries, sacrifices, setbacks, and faith that shaped him along the way. Slade shares what it was like to lose an entire year to injury, leave behind longtime friends to pursue the next level, and wonder whether he even belonged among the best. But as the conversation unfolds, the bigger question becomes: What happens when your sport becomes your identity? Slade opens up about learning that talent and hard work can only take you so far, and how his faith began to reshape the way he approached competition, pressure, and success.

    And then comes the full-circle moment every young athlete dreams about: FC Dallas makes the call. Slade shares what it was like to finally sign with the club he had dreamed about since childhood, while also reflecting on the deeper lessons that got him there—playing for an “audience of one,” building accountability, pursuing excellence without being defined by the outcome, and finding something bigger than the scoreboard. He also shares how his experiences with his friend Ivan led them to start iDream, which helps young athletes pursue their goals while growing in confidence, identity, and leadership. At the heart of Slade’s story is a reminder that the biggest win may have very little to do with what happens on the scoreboard.

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    43 min
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