Healing Chat by Tolicious | Understanding Resistance & The Ministry of Not Yet with Emily RobertsonHealing Chat by Tolicious is created by Cass Uk and hosted today by Samantha Chapman.
In this episode, Samantha sits down with Emily Robertson, founder of Forward From Here and creator of the Ministry of Not Yet framework, to explore why lasting change isn't about willpower—it's about understanding behaviour.
Drawing on her background in occupational therapy, behaviour change, solution-focused practice, and motivational interviewing, Emily explains why our behaviours are often protective rather than problematic. Instead of asking, "What's wrong with me?", she encourages us to ask, "What is this behaviour trying to protect?"
Together, they discuss fear, perfectionism, procrastination, people-pleasing, leadership, entrepreneurship, and the behavioural patterns that influence our decisions at work and in life. Emily also shares her journey from taking voluntary redundancy to building her own business, offering practical lessons on overcoming fear and embracing change.
Whether you're a leader, entrepreneur, coach, healthcare professional, or someone navigating a life transition, this conversation will help you better understand yourself and others.
In This Episode✔ Why behaviour always has a purpose
✔ Creating the right conditions for lasting change
✔ The psychology behind fear, perfectionism and procrastination
✔ Understanding the cycle of ambivalence
✔ How people-pleasing develops as a protective behaviour
✔ The 10 Ministry of Not Yet behavioural characters
✔ Why resistance is valuable information
✔ Building greater self-awareness in leadership and business
Chapters00:00 Introduction
02:10 Personal experiences and behaviour change
03:02 Creating conditions for change
04:15 A real client story
05:37 Understanding ambivalence
06:22 Matching support to the individual
07:20 Leaving employment to start a business
08:34 Fear and life transitions
09:35 Perfectionism and safety behaviours
11:40 Procrastination and visibility
13:47 Building confidence
16:15 Rethinking healing
18:32 The Ministry of Not Yet
19:02 The Traditionalist
20:35 The Permission Seeker
21:30 The remaining behavioural characters
23:47 Recognising your own patterns
24:50 Fear of rejection
26:56 Reframing behaviour
27:30 Solution-focused approaches
28:28 Resistance as information
29:15 Leadership and self-awareness
Connect with Emily Robertson🌐 Website: Forward From Here
💼 LinkedIn: Emily Robertson on LinkedIn
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