In this solo episode of Everybody Else, Wes explores how readiness and a clear sense of identity make it possible to stay aligned with your role when the chaos of sudden success demands more than talent alone. By zooming in on a defining moment in the early career of legendary rock drummer Sandy Gennaro, the episode unpacks the invisible work (years of repetition, service, and self-knowledge) that prepares a person to carry scale when it finally arrives. It’s a reminder that while talent can open the door, staying in the room requires an entirely different skill set.

Listen to the full interview with Sandy's on Everybody Else.

Recorded on December 30, 2025 at Wally Opus Sound Studios in Evansville, Indiana.
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This show is supported by: Thru-Line Development Company.

Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line is an advisory practice supporting artists and their teams during moments of growth, transition, or pressure. The work focuses on removing noise, clarifying direction, and aligning creative, operational, and human systems so progress remains intentional and sustainable. Thru-Line approaches development through contained, long-arc work informed by cross-industry systems and structures.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and publicists to label execs, venue managers, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

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Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor

Dr. Tad Dickel is a leadership and strategy consultant based in Evansville, Indiana, working with businesses, universities, nonprofits, government agencies, churches, and schools across the Tri-State region and beyond. Tad’s journey into consulting began in music and education, serving first as a band and choir director at Mater Dei High School and later as a principal and president, before moving into his current advisory work. Apart from this role, Tad is also a bagpiper, vocalist, and guitarist, performing traditional Celtic music monthly with a small ensemble at Patsy Hartigan’s in downtown Evansville.

Website: https://www.tadickel.com/

Recorded on December 19, 2025 in the roastery of Evansville Coffee Company in Evansville, Indiana.
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This show is supported by:

The Victory Theatre. Located in the heart of downtown Evansville, Indiana, The Victory Theatre is a historic 1,950-seat venue hosting world-class entertainment such as Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit, Louis C.K, Deana Carter, and Eddie Griffin, to name a few. Managed by Venuworks, the 124-year-old theatre is also home to the Evansville Philharmonic Orchestra and Signature School, Indiana’s first charter school and a top-raked charter school in the nation. See all upcoming events at victorytheatre.com.

Thru-Line Development Company. Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line is an advisory practice supporting artists and their teams during moments of growth, transition, or pressure. The work focuses on removing noise, clarifying direction, and aligning creative, operational, and human systems so progress remains intentional and sustainable. Thru-Line approaches development through contained, long-arc work informed by cross-industry systems and structures. Learn more at artistdev.co.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and label execs to venue managers, consultants, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

Follow Wes: Main link
Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor

In this solo episode of Everybody Else, Wes explores the idea of containment; the often overlooked discipline of managing energy, attention, and focus in moments of pressure. Through a personal story, he reflects on how easily momentum turns into noise when structure disappears, and why clarity often comes from slowing down as opposed to pushing harder. This episode looks at how high performers stay grounded, protect their attention, and create the conditions for clean, confident decision-making.

Recorded on December 12, 2025 at Wally Opus Sound Studios in Evansville, Indiana.
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This show is supported by: Thru-Line Development Company.

Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line is an advisory practice supporting artists and their teams during moments of growth, transition, or pressure. The work focuses on removing noise, clarifying direction, and aligning creative, operational, and human systems so progress remains intentional and sustainable. Thru-Line approaches development through contained, long-arc work informed by cross-industry systems and structures. Learn more at artistdev.co.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and publicists to label execs, venue managers, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

Follow Wes: Main link
Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor