In this solo episode of Everybody Else, Wes explores how readiness and a clear sense of identity make it possible to stay aligned with your role when the chaos of sudden success demands more than talent alone. By zooming in on a defining moment in the early career of legendary rock drummer Sandy Gennaro, the episode unpacks the invisible work (years of repetition, service, and self-knowledge) that prepares a person to carry scale when it finally arrives. It’s a reminder that while talent can open the door, staying in the room requires an entirely different skill set.

Listen to the full interview with Sandy's on Everybody Else.

Recorded on December 30, 2025 at Wally Opus Sound Studios in Evansville, Indiana.
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This show is supported by: Thru-Line Development Company.

Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line is an advisory practice supporting artists and their teams during moments of growth, transition, or pressure. The work focuses on removing noise, clarifying direction, and aligning creative, operational, and human systems so progress remains intentional and sustainable. Thru-Line approaches development through contained, long-arc work informed by cross-industry systems and structures.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and publicists to label execs, venue managers, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

Follow Wes: Main link
Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor

Dr. Tad Dickel is a leadership and strategy consultant based in Evansville, Indiana, working with businesses, universities, nonprofits, government agencies, churches, and schools across the Tri-State region and beyond. Tad’s journey into consulting began in music and education, serving first as a band and choir director at Mater Dei High School and later as a principal and president, before moving into his current advisory work. Apart from this role, Tad is also a bagpiper, vocalist, and guitarist, performing traditional Celtic music monthly with a small ensemble at Patsy Hartigan’s in downtown Evansville.

Website: https://www.tadickel.com/

Recorded on December 19, 2025 in the roastery of Evansville Coffee Company in Evansville, Indiana.
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This show is supported by:

The Victory Theatre. Located in the heart of downtown Evansville, Indiana, The Victory Theatre is a historic 1,950-seat venue hosting world-class entertainment such as Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit, Louis C.K, Deana Carter, and Eddie Griffin, to name a few. Managed by Venuworks, the 124-year-old theatre is also home to the Evansville Philharmonic Orchestra and Signature School, Indiana’s first charter school and a top-raked charter school in the nation. See all upcoming events at victorytheatre.com.

Thru-Line Development Company. Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line is an advisory practice supporting artists and their teams during moments of growth, transition, or pressure. The work focuses on removing noise, clarifying direction, and aligning creative, operational, and human systems so progress remains intentional and sustainable. Thru-Line approaches development through contained, long-arc work informed by cross-industry systems and structures. Learn more at artistdev.co.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and label execs to venue managers, consultants, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

Follow Wes: Main link
Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor

In this solo episode of Everybody Else, Wes explores the idea of containment; the often overlooked discipline of managing energy, attention, and focus in moments of pressure. Through a personal story, he reflects on how easily momentum turns into noise when structure disappears, and why clarity often comes from slowing down as opposed to pushing harder. This episode looks at how high performers stay grounded, protect their attention, and create the conditions for clean, confident decision-making.

Recorded on December 12, 2025 at Wally Opus Sound Studios in Evansville, Indiana.
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This show is supported by: Thru-Line Development Company.

Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line is an advisory practice supporting artists and their teams during moments of growth, transition, or pressure. The work focuses on removing noise, clarifying direction, and aligning creative, operational, and human systems so progress remains intentional and sustainable. Thru-Line approaches development through contained, long-arc work informed by cross-industry systems and structures. Learn more at artistdev.co.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and publicists to label execs, venue managers, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

Follow Wes: Main link
Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor

Sandy Gennaro is a legendary rock drummer, author, and public speaker born in Little Italy, NY. With a career spanning over 50 years in music, he's played for world-renowned entertainers including Cyndi Lauper, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, The Monkees, and Bo Diddley. Now based with his family in Nashville, TN, Sandy travels the world as a keynote speaker sharing stories from his career tied to lessons in business and leadership that have benefited companies like FedEx, Keller/Williams, and CBS Telecom, to name a few. In 2022, Sandy released, Beat The Odds, his first book addressing business management, the music industry, and his personal life experience as a drummer and public speaker.

Recorded on December 10, 2025 at Sandy's house in Nashville, Tennessee.
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Thank you to our show sponsors:

The Victory Theatre: Located in the heart of downtown Evansville, Indiana, The Victory Theatre is a historic 1,950-seat venue hosting world-class entertainment such as Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit, Louis C.K, Deana Carter, and Eddie Griffin, to name a few. Managed by Venuworks, the 124-year-old theatre is also home to the Evansville Philharmonic Orchestra and Signature School, Indiana’s first charter school and a top-raked charter school in the nation. See all upcoming events at victorytheatre.com.

Thru-Line Development Company: Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line is an advisory practice supporting artists and their teams during moments of growth, transition, or pressure. The work focuses on removing noise, clarifying direction, and aligning creative, operational, and human systems so progress remains intentional and sustainable. Thru-Line approaches development through contained, long-arc work informed by cross-industry systems and structures. Learn more at artistdev.co.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and publicists to label execs, venue managers, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

Follow Wes: Main link
Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor

Chrystelle Nammour is an artist development advisor who serves as the Head of Groover Club, a coaching program for emerging artists within Groover. Having consulted on the projects of over 350 artists, she is an original creator of the Groover Club as well as the Groover Masterclass, a music business educational program for independent artists. Based in Paris, France, Chrystelle is also a recording artist and serves as a member of She Said So France, an organization dedicated to bringing together women of the music industry by exchanging advice, best practices, and personal experiences in a spirit of sisterhood.

Recorded virtually on December 10, 2025.
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Thank you to our show sponsors:

Groover is the global go-to platform for independent artists for all their promotional needs and artist services. It started with a simple but frustrating truth: talented artists weren’t getting heard. Emails went unanswered, demos got lost, and opportunities stayed out of reach. Insert Groover—a platform where artists could finally connect with industry pros, get real feedback, and unlock new career opportunities. Today, 3,000+ pros and curators listen to new tracks from over 500,000+ artists who use Groover to share their music, get feedback, and land real opportunities—over 5M pieces of feedback given, 1M+ shares, reviews, and playlist adds, and 1,500+ label signings.

Visit https://groover.co/en/ to promote your next single and get 15% off your first campaign by using promo code EVERYBODYELSE (good for one campaign). Here's how it can be applied.

Thru-Line Development Company: Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line is a development and advisory practice working with artists and their teams at moments of growth, transition, or pressure. The work focuses on simplifying complexity, removing noise, and creating clarity for better decision-making across creative, operational, and human systems. The goal: progress that feels intentional, aligned, and sustainable. Learn more at artistdev.co.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and publicists to label execs, venue managers, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

Follow Wes: Main link
Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor

Gale Woolems is a singer-songwriter from Evansville, Indiana. Having written poetry for most of her life, she turned to songwriting nearly three decades ago after wowing friends and family with her voice. Known as “G” to her grandkids, she has written hundreds of original songs and once performed them locally at spots like Goldie’s and The St. Joe Inn, as well as in Nashville at the Bluebird Café and during Nashville Songwriters Association International (NSAI) events. At 75, she spends her days with her family and continues to write songs with honesty, heart, and a deep respect for the craft that’s inspired her throughout life.

Recorded on November 20, 2025 at Wally Opus Sound Studios in Evansville, Indiana.
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Thank you to our show sponsors:

The Victory Theatre: Located in the heart of downtown Evansville, Indiana, The Victory Theatre is a historic 1,950-seat venue hosting world-class entertainment such as Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit, Louis C.K, Deana Carter, and Eddie Griffin, to name a few. Managed by Venuworks, the 124-year-old theatre is also home to the Evansville Philharmonic Orchestra and Signature School, Indiana’s first charter school and a top-raked charter school in the nation. See all upcoming events at victorytheatre.com.

Thru-Line Development Company: Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line Dev Co. is a boutique coaching practice made for the highly-committed developing and established artists in need of clarity of vision, strengthening of identity, and realignment of the systems and structures surrounding their careers for authentic, scalable growth. Rooted in a practice of supportive inquiry and deep creative alignment, Thru-Line exists to help artists move beyond burnout, misalignment, and inherited industry beliefs to build careers that scale with clarity rather than compromise. Learn more at artistdev.co.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and publicists to label execs, venue managers, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

Follow Wes: Main link
Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor

David Pearl, LCSW, is a psychotherapist and performance coach who helps people optimize their potential and achieve meaningful results by building emotional endurance, breaking old patterns, and performing from a grounded, authentic place. Having trained at Union Square Practice in NYC, David founded Music City Psych, a private therapy and executive coaching practice located in Nashville, Tennessee. David and his team counsel adults, adolescents, and couples, as well as musicians and recording artists, athletes, high-performing professionals, and businesses.

Website: Music City Psych

Recorded on November 18, 2025 at the offices of Music City Psych in Nashville, Tennessee.
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Thank you to our show sponsors:

The Victory Theatre: Located in the heart of downtown Evansville, Indiana, The Victory Theatre is a historic 1,950-seat venue hosting world-class entertainment such as Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit, Louis C.K, Deana Carter, and Eddie Griffin, to name a few. Managed by Venuworks, the 124-year-old theatre is also home to the Evansville Philharmonic Orchestra and Signature School, Indiana’s first charter school and a top-raked charter school in the nation. See all upcoming events at victorytheatre.com.

Thru-Line Development Company: Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line Dev Co. is a boutique coaching practice made for the highly-committed developing and established artists in need of clarity of vision, strengthening of identity, and realignment of the systems and structures surrounding their careers for authentic, scalable growth. Rooted in a practice of supportive inquiry and deep creative alignment, Thru-Line exists to help artists move beyond burnout, misalignment, and inherited industry beliefs to build careers that scale with clarity rather than compromise. Learn more at artistdev.co.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and publicists to label execs, venue managers, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

Follow Wes: Main link
Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor

Lauren Longbine Bartlett is a Country Radio Promotion Executive based in Scottsdale, Arizona. Over the last decade, she’s helped garner 33 #1 hits for artists including Luke Combs, FGL, Megan Moroney, Old Dominion, and dozens more. Previously, she worked as Sr. Director of Promotion & Artist Development at Sony Music Nashville and was a Regional Director of Promotion & Marketing at Big Machine Label Group in Nashville. Currently, Lauren works independently on releases for artists including Chris Janson, Brandon Lake & Jelly Roll, and more with her company Gregory Brand Collective.

Follow Lauren: @laurenlbartlett

Recorded on November 18, 2025 at the Hilton Garden Vanderbilt hotel in Nashville, Tennessee.
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Thank you to our show sponsors:

The Victory Theatre: Located in the heart of downtown Evansville, Indiana, The Victory Theatre is a historic 1,950-seat venue hosting world-class entertainment such as Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit, Louis C.K, Deana Carter, and Eddie Griffin, to name a few. Managed by Venuworks, the 124-year-old theatre is also home to the Evansville Philharmonic Orchestra and Signature School, Indiana’s first charter school and a top-raked charter school in the nation. See all upcoming events at victorytheatre.com.

Thru-Line Development Company: Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line Dev Co. is a boutique coaching practice made for the highly-committed developing and established artists in need of clarity of vision, strengthening of identity, and realignment of the systems and structures surrounding their careers for authentic, scalable growth. Rooted in a practice of supportive inquiry and deep creative alignment, Thru-Line exists to help artists move beyond burnout, misalignment, and inherited industry beliefs to build careers that scale with clarity rather than compromise. Learn more at artistdev.co.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and publicists to label execs, venue managers, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

Follow Wes: Main link
Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor