Today’s conversation is not an easy one — and it’s not meant to be.

This episode looks at a story that includes a violent crime, an arrest, two trials with two very different outcomes, and the ripple effects that continue long after a verdict is read. In June of 2024, a shooting at Veteran’s Tavern in Pueblo, Colorado left two women injured, and took the life of 65-year-old Elaine Masias. David Frank Martinez was later arrested and ultimately convicted after a second trial, following an earlier mistrial in which a jury could not reach a unanimous decision.

We’re joined by Martinez’s daughter, who believes that conviction was wrongful. We gave her the space to share her perspective — what she saw unfold, what she feels was misunderstood, and how this experience has shaped her family’s life ever since.

Our goal here is not to retry the case, challenge the courts, or act as investigators. We’re not a courtroom, and we’re not presenting new evidence. This is a conversation. We rely on publicly reported information to outline the timeline, and we focus on the human side of a process that is often reduced to headlines, documents, and soundbites.

This episode deals with difficult subject matter and real loss. We encourage listeners to approach it with the understanding that this is one family’s perspective on events that have already been adjudicated in court, while legal processes continue to unfold.

As always, we try to ask honest questions, listen carefully, and give space to stories that are complicated, emotional, and not easily summarized.

Thank you for listening.

Cheers,

m&t

Tony bikes to work in freezing weather, finally watches Whiplash (only 11 years late), and then accidentally starts perhaps the most heated debate we’ve ever had on the podcast.

A conversation about Caleb Williams and biased commentators turns into a full-on Bears vs stats showdown, with Tony making bold claims and Mike playing contrarian—with receipts.

We’ve never argued on the pod before, and this one definitely goes longer than intended. But after some real back-and-forth, we settle down, find common ground, and finish strong—talking Cowboys future, strange NFL mascots, and the weird passion that comes with lifelong fandom.

Consider this a rare peek behind the curtain of a real friendship… heated moments and all.

Cheers!

m&t

Bruce Leroy joins us for a full-on 90s spiral — cartoons, toys, bad decisions, and the strange realization that we’re all officially in different phases of life now. With birthdays looming (44, 47, and a “still-only-40”), we talk retirement dreams, food trucks, moving to the Philippines, and why there’s no rush to have life figured out.

Then we go deep on 90s culture: legendary cartoon intro music, Ninja Turtles vs. GI Joes, Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, He-Man being a toy first, and the absolute chaos of Blockbuster nights (including bike theft and surprise movies behind the wrong case). We reminisce about Tamagotchis, Furbies, Pogs, fake candy cigarettes, and doing wildly dumb things as kids — like outrunning a chow named Bear and learning lessons the hard way.

We also get into cancel culture, social media, being present at concerts, how posting habits change as we age, and whether the 90s were actually better — or just different. From Dewey Decimal research to today’s information overload, from old-school video games building grit to modern attention spans shrinking, we try to make sense of what’s gained and what’s lost.

It’s nostalgia, life perspective, and a lot of laughs — plus a reminder that more money doesn’t fix bad habits, not everyone has to win, and sometimes falling into a trash can saves your life.

Cheers!

m&t