Some conversations are worth revisiting and sharing. In this special guest drop, we hand the mic to a friend of the show: trumpeter and composer Dave Douglas, who has appeared on The Late Set and whose Greenleaf Music podcast, A Noise From the Deep, is one we never miss. Here, Douglas sits down with master drummer Andrew Cyrille to discuss Lebroba, Cyrille’s ECM album with Wadada Leo Smith and Bill Frisell.

Cyrille also reflects on his Brooklyn beginnings, his first recording date with Coleman Hawkins, and his 11 years in the Cecil Taylor Unit. We’re especially excited to share this conversation at a time when Cyrille has two fine new albums: Trio Imagination and the forthcoming Drum Stories.

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• 00:00 — Welcome: Josh Jackson & Nate Chinen
• 01:15 — Andrew Cyrille's big year & “Freeway” from Drum Stories
• 06:20 — Dave Douglas and Andrew Cyrille on A Noise From the Deep
• 10:00 — “Pretty Beauty” & recording Lebroba
• 18:30 — Learning by ear & a first date with Coleman Hawkins
• 24:15 — Coming up in Brooklyn: Louis Hayes, Max Roach & Philly Joe Jones
• 30:45 — Cyrille's Haitian roots
• 35:45 — “Lebroba”: Leland, Brooklyn & Baltimore
• 44:20 — What makes good music
• 52:40 — 11 years with Cecil Taylor
• 1:07:40 — Time, rhythm & “TGD”
• 1:13:00 — “Time to Dig”

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The Myth We Chose, the entrancing new album by South African pianist Nduduzo Makhathini, foregrounds hope and healing, and a conviction in the redemptive power of connection. It’s a song-forward statement for Makhathini, who is also a composer, vocalist, philosopher, and ambassador for the Global South.

This summer, he brought his trio to Solar Myth ahead of an appearance at the Newport Jazz Festival. On the first of two nights, he joined Josh Jackson for an onstage conversation about ritual, responsibility, and why he prefers the term “encounter” to “discovery” when describing a person’s formative contact with improvised music.

• 00:00 — Intro: South African jazz
• 05:00 — Zulu language, myth & musicality
• 11:30 — Music education, colonialism & Indigenous knowledge
• 15:30 — Growing up during apartheid
• 21:00 — Encountering John Coltrane & the roots of jazz
• 23:30 — The identity and sound of South African jazz
• 28:45 — Collective memory & the African diaspora
• 35:15 — Myth, ancestral memory & sonic creation
• 38:15 — Ndu cosmology, time & musical continuity
• 41:00 — Artificial intelligence, knowledge & human experience
• 45:15 — Nate and Josh on music, healing & ancestral knowledge
• 49:30 — “This I Dig”
• 53:15 — South African music, cultural boycotts & current debates
• 56:15 — Closing credits

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