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The Backstage Pastors Podcast

The Backstage Pastors Podcast

De : Phil Taylor and Tyler Drewitz
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The Backstage Pastors Podcast is dedicated to the unique challenges and opportunities facing executive pastors and second-chair leaders in churches and nonprofits. Hosts Phil Taylor and Tyler Drewitz share hard-earned insights and introduce listeners to diverse leaders doing meaningful work behind the scenes. Together, they offer practical, actionable conversations designed to strengthen the ministries and people they quietly support.Phil Taylor and Tyler Drewitz Christianisme Ministère et évangélisme Spiritualité
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  • Micro-church movements with Lucas Pulley

    Micro-church movements with Lucas Pulley
    Aug 5 2026

    Most executive pastors spend their careers helping churches grow by building systems, hiring staff, and delegating responsibilities. But what happens when the goal isn't building a larger Sunday gathering at all?

    In this episode, Phil sits down with Lucas Pulley of the Underground Network to explore one of America's largest microchurch movements. Lucas shares his own ministry journey—from campus ministry in Illinois to leading decentralized networks of mission-focused microchurches—and explains how the Underground has developed systems that support hundreds of autonomous missionary leaders while preserving contextual freedom.

    The conversation explores what defines a church, why mission is essential alongside worship and community, how decentralized networks stay healthy without becoming overly institutionalized, and what executive pastors in traditional church settings can learn from movement thinking.

    Whether your church is 100 people or 10,000, this conversation offers valuable insights into leadership, delegation, coaching, governance, and creating structures that empower people for mission rather than simply managing programs.

    Mentioned Resources

    • 🗣️Follow Drew

    • 🗣️Follow the Underground Network

    • 💻Tampa Underground

    • 💻 Underground Network

    • 📕On the Verge By Alan Hirsch & Dave Ferguson

    From Our Partners

    💻 ⁠The Church Hub⁠: The Church Hub serves pastors, ministry leaders, and their spouses through equipping and training resources. Learn more at https://thechurchhub.org

    Connect with Phil Taylor

    ✉️ ⁠Get Phil's Newsletter⁠

    ✉️ ⁠⁠phil@backstagepastors.org⁠⁠

    🗣️ ⁠⁠@philtaylorxp⁠⁠

    📚 ⁠Books by Phil⁠

    💻 ⁠backstagepastors.org⁠

    💻⁠plainjoestudios.com⁠

    Connect with Tyler Drewitz

    ✉️ ⁠⁠tyler@myxp.church⁠⁠

    🗣️ ⁠⁠@tylerdrewitz⁠⁠

    💻 ⁠myxp.church⁠

    💻⁠ridgelineprinting.com⁠

    The best way to support this podcast is to like, subscribe and share it with a friend.

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    CHAPTERS

    02:34 Lucas Pulley's ministry journey

    10:48 What is the Underground Network?

    16:16 Defining the microchurch model

    20:20 Mission-specific vs. distributive microchurches

    29:03 Building systems for decentralized leadership

    37:32 Supporting networks across the country

    41:35 Challenges of leading a decentralized movement

    48:07 The place of microchurches within the broader Church

    50:55 Final reflections and ministry resources

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    Editing and Support by The Good Podcast Co.

    Backstage Pastors™️ is a Registered Trademark
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    58 min
  • Drew Hyun on Emotional Health for Executive Pastors

    Drew Hyun on Emotional Health for Executive Pastors
    Jul 15 2026
    Phil and Tyler sit down with Drew Hyun, Lead Pastor of Hope Church NYC and Executive Director of Emotionally Healthy Discipleship (EHD), to explore why emotional health is foundational for effective ministry leadership.Drew shares his ministry journey—from serving under Pete Scazzero at New Life Fellowship to planting Hope Church NYC and eventually stepping into leadership of Emotionally Healthy Discipleship. He reflects on how becoming a lead pastor revealed the importance of emotional health in ways he had never fully understood before.The conversation explores why executive pastors and highly driven leaders often struggle with emotional awareness, the relationship between emotional maturity and ministry effectiveness, and practical ways leaders can begin pursuing greater self-awareness. Drew also offers an inside look at the future of Emotionally Healthy Discipleship, including the School of Emotionally Healthy Leadership, a new Order of Emotionally Healthy Leaders, and Pete Scazzero's upcoming book on redefining success in ministry.This episode is a thoughtful invitation for church leaders to pursue both the Great Commandment and the Great Commission, recognizing that healthy ministry begins with healthy leaders.Mentioned Resources🗣️Follow Drew 🗣️Follow Emotionally Healthy Discipleship 💻Drew’s Website💻 Emotionally Healthy Discipleship Website 📕Emotionally Healthy Discipleship Resources ⛪️ Hope Church NYCFrom Our Partners💻 ⁠The Church Hub⁠: The Church Hub serves pastors, ministry leaders, and their spouses through equipping and training resources. Learn more at https://thechurchhub.org Connect with Phil Taylor✉️ ⁠Get Phil's Newsletter⁠✉️ ⁠⁠phil@backstagepastors.org⁠⁠🗣️ ⁠⁠@philtaylorxp⁠⁠ 📚 ⁠Books by Phil⁠💻 ⁠backstagepastors.org⁠💻⁠plainjoestudios.com⁠ Connect with Tyler Drewitz✉️ ⁠⁠tyler@myxp.church⁠⁠🗣️ ⁠⁠@tylerdrewitz⁠⁠💻 ⁠myxp.church⁠💻⁠ridgelineprinting.com⁠The best way to support this podcast is to like, subscribe and share it with a friend.LIKE & SUBSCRIBE📹 ⁠Youtube⁠🍏 ⁠Apple⁠🎤 ⁠SpotifyCHAPTERS02:54 Drew Hyun's ministry journey09:12 Why emotionally healthy leadership matters14:08 Growing in self-awareness as a leader19:00 Practical first steps toward emotional health23:50 Leading two organizations without burning out35:09 The future of Emotionally Healthy Discipleship42:00 Resources and next steps for church leaders42:53 Wrap up– –Editing and Support by The Good Podcast Co. Backstage Pastors™️ is a Registered Trademark
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    50 min
  • Rich Birch on Building Churches that Keep Growing

    Rich Birch on Building Churches that Keep Growing
    Jul 1 2026
    Rich Birch joins Phil and Tyler for a wide-ranging conversation about church growth, executive leadership, and helping churches remove barriers that prevent people from encountering Jesus. Drawing from decades of executive pastor experience and hundreds of conversations through the UnSeminary Podcast, Rich shares the mission behind his work and the insights he's gathered from one of the largest ongoing executive pastor surveys.The conversation explores what today's executive pastors are experiencing, including an encouraging sense of optimism alongside widespread staff exhaustion. Rich discusses why people—not finances or facilities—remain the greatest concern for executive pastors and offers practical ideas for improving staff health and leadership development.Rich also challenges a common assumption about church growth by arguing that many churches don't actually have a "back door" problem—they have a "front door" problem. He explains why churches should become obsessed with the guest experience, simplify every step of the first-time visitor journey, and intentionally build systems that help newcomers connect. Rich explains why personal invitations continue to be the single greatest driver of church growth and offers practical ways churches can equip and encourage their people to invite others consistently. Mentioned Resources🗣️Follow Rich 🗣️Follow UnSeminenary 💻UnSeminenary Website💻 Executive Pastor Direct Survey   📕Unlocking Your Church's Invite Culture by Rich Birch📕Church Growth Flywheel by Rich Birch⛪️ Connexus ChurchFrom Our Partners💻 ⁠The Church Hub⁠: The Church Hub serves pastors, ministry leaders, and their spouses through equipping and training resources. Learn more at https://thechurchhub.org Connect with Phil Taylor✉️ ⁠Get Phil's Newsletter⁠✉️ ⁠⁠phil@backstagepastors.org⁠⁠🗣️ ⁠⁠@philtaylorxp⁠⁠ 📚 ⁠Books by Phil⁠💻 ⁠backstagepastors.org⁠💻⁠plainjoestudios.com⁠ Connect with Tyler Drewitz✉️ ⁠⁠tyler@myxp.church⁠⁠🗣️ ⁠⁠@tylerdrewitz⁠⁠💻 ⁠myxp.church⁠💻⁠ridgelineprinting.com⁠The best way to support this podcast is to like, subscribe and share it with a friend.LIKE & SUBSCRIBE📹 ⁠Youtube⁠🍏 ⁠Apple⁠🎤 ⁠SpotifyCHAPTERS 07:55 – Rich's Mission and the Story Behind UnSeminary11:20 – Executive Pastor Survey: Hopeful but Tired20:40 – Why People Are Every Executive Pastor's Biggest Challenge27:20 – The Front Door Problem: Helping First-Time Guests Connect39:30 – Seeing Church Through the Eyes of a First-Time Visitor42:00 – Building an Invite Culture That Fuels Growth50:25 – Encouragement for Executive Pastors– –Editing and Support by The Good Podcast Co. Backstage Pastors™️ is a Registered Trademark
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    55 min
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