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A podcast for surgeons who feel like they are languishing in a career that didn't turn out to be as fulfilling or as prestigious as they expected. Dr. Mel Thacker, an ENT surgeon and coach, takes you on a journey to help you understand why you are feeling dissatisfied, burnt out, and stuck. With this newfound insight, you'll be able to reframe how you see your experience, rediscover who you are underneath your surgeon identity, and create a life that aligns with your authentic self. Find more info about Surgeons with Purpose and other shows on the Hippocratic Collective at hippocratic-collective.com© 2025 Surgeons with Purpose Développement personnel Hygiène et vie saine Maladie et pathologies physiques Psychologie Psychologie et psychiatrie Réussite personnelle
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  • #119 Protect the Asset with Dr. Jeremy Heffner

    #119 Protect the Asset with Dr. Jeremy Heffner
    Oct 12 2026

    ***********SENSITIVE CONTENT WARNING**************************

    This episode discusses suicidal ideation. Please listen carefully.

    Join us inside Empowered Surgeons Group here.

    Jeremy Heffner is a trauma and acute care surgeon fifteen years into practice. He ran the COVID response at his institution. Somewhere in there, his compartmentalization strategy stopped working. He would find himself in situations where he couldn't contain his emotions and couldn't locate where any of it was coming from: which part of the past, which patient, which year. He had hypercompartmentalized to the point that he could no longer find the source. He saw therapists. He did EMDR. Eventually he admitted himself to a residential program for a month. Frontline workers, he says, are given almost nothing to process the day-to-day, so they don't.

    In surgery we keep running until we hit a wall. He describes a room full of surgeons nudging each other about who is earning more and taking the harder cases, and nobody ever asking the only question that matters: did you ever figure out the work-life balance thing? His own verdict is unsparing: you have to run the race yourself and reach your limits before you'll believe they exist.

    After admission to the residential facility, things got worse. Without the normal stressors he felt empty, and there was one night he came very close to dying by suicide. He couldn't work out what defined him anymore. He knew he couldn't go back to being who he had been, because that version hadn't worked. If he wasn't producing ridiculous RVUs, had he failed? For the first time in his life, he didn't know what the path forward looked like. Two realizations moved him. The first was that every single moment of the day is his choice — that the excuses, starting with “if I don't see these patients, then…,” were his own. The second arrived as a willingness to be fired: once he understood he didn't have to prove himself, the rest of the stress fell away. Recognizing your own intrinsic value, he says, is the muscle. And he's blunt about his own part in it; he had been blaming the system for hiding what he was keeping from them.

    He also turned to AI during that stretch, in a state of high vulnerability and shame. It helped him, he says, by forcing his mind onto a new problem. But it also showed him what the models actually do. He argues the models can induce psychosis in vulnerable people, and he lays out three places this could land — we believe we're steering when we aren't; too many destabilizing ideas arrive at once; or we learn to work alongside these systems as neither boss nor slave, which he calls the real threading of the needle. His warning for medicine is sharp: whatever efficiency AI creates does not entitle administrators to more of a physician's time.

    What got him through PTSD was his wife, and a life rebalanced around something other than output. He is worried about the surgeons being trained right now on a model that no longer matches the world, sent out like deer to the slaughter by leaders who haven't noticed the game changed, World War One generals all over again. His closing thought is about leverage: once you genuinely believe in your own worth, you simply stop accepting the terms. You are not an easily replaced part.

    Follow Jeremy on LinkedIn here.

    Join SurgeON here.

    Get his book, Proof of the Impossible here.

    If you're struggling: the Physician Support Line (1-888-409-0141) is free, confidential, and staffed by volunteer psychiatrists for U.S. physicians, residents, and medical students, 8am–1am ET every day and nothing is recorded. The 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline is available any time by call or text.
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    1 h et 12 min
  • #118 Designing Life in Surgery on Your Terms with Dr. Gopi Shah and Dr. Ashley Agan

    #118 Designing Life in Surgery on Your Terms with Dr. Gopi Shah and Dr. Ashley Agan
    Oct 5 2026
    Interested in the Cabo retreat? Learn more about it here. And interview for a spot here.Join us inside Empowered Surgeons Group here.Gopi Shah and Ashley Agan met when Ashley was a PGY-3 and Gopi was a fellow. They’ve been friends ever since.Both went on to spend about eight years in academic medicine. Ashley made associate professor at UT Southwestern and was the first physician in her family. Gopi built her own academic career. And eventually, they both hit a wall.They describe that wall differently.For Gopi, it was the realization that what she thought her career would feel like was not what it actually felt like. For Ashley, it looked more like a seven-year itch, coupled with a vision she’d carried for years of running a small practice of her own.What I love about their story is that they didn’t leave in the same direction.Gopi and her family moved to Paris on what she calls a pipe dream: the chance to live abroad. She put her professional life completely on hold. She needed the reset, not just professionally, but for her mind, body, and overall wellbeing. At one point, she genuinely wasn’t sure she wanted to keep practicing medicine.Eventually, she tried locums.It was supposed to be a try-it-and-see experiment. Instead, she found a way of practicing that she loves. Every new institution requires her to read the room, understand the system, and figure out how to work within it. She loves the variety, the call, and the hospital medicine.And as a pediatric ENT, she has a pretty good explanation for why she likes working with kids: they keep you honest. They see right through the ego.Ashley watched Gopi do all of this and describes her, in some ways, as a vision board.Two years ago, Ashley left her salaried academic position and opened a direct-care, cash-pay practice, despite being told it wouldn’t work.Her take on cash pay is refreshingly nuanced: it’s harder in some ways and easier in others. Building the practice is harder. Actually practicing medicine without the insurance model hanging over every decision is much simpler.She figured insurance would always be there if she needed it.She hasn’t needed it.What Ashley really wanted was control of her time. Her old life had become two daily frenzies, one in the morning and one in the evening, with a packed clinical day sandwiched between them. Somewhere along the way, she started to feel like she was missing the point of her own life.She understood why the system was built the way it was.She also understood that she could not build the life she wanted inside it.And then there’s BackTable ENT.That started almost by accident.Gopi’s husband had launched BackTable IR as part of a startup building an app that allowed proceduralists to rate devices. The app needed physician engagement, so they started a podcast to drive people toward it.The podcast ended up being the thing of value.Gopi and Ashley first shared a microphone while talking about nosebleeds. In 2020, they decided to make an ENT podcast together. They recorded five episodes, mostly with people they already knew.Ashley’s summary of those early days is basically perfect: it was so fun, even if nobody listened.They weren’t initially thinking about it as education. That came later, when they started talking about all the things that weren’t making it onto the academic agenda.Their first episode in that series was about the idea that you can’t pour from an empty cup. From there, the conversations expanded into practice building, professionalism, personal development, mentorship, coaching, and all of the other things they wish someone had taught them when they were younger.Some of those topics, like the difference between mentorship and coaching, were still genuinely unfamiliar territory when they recorded them.And doing it together mattered.There’s something about having another person beside you that makes it much less terrifying to ask the question that might sound stupid, hear your own voice coming out of a microphone, get in front of a camera, or put an opinion into the world where someone might judge you for it.Their goal is honest conversation.Even with sponsorships, they want to be able to say what they actually think. If there’s something their colleagues should know about a device, they want to say it.These are the conversations that happen on the sidelines at conferences. The conversations that don’t always make it onto the Academy podium.And underneath so much of what they do is a challenge to one of the most deeply ingrained ideas in medicine: that there is only one right way to be a surgeon.Both Gopi and Ashley have learned what happens when you’re willing to fail forward, especially when the risk is one you chose for yourself.That, to me, is the real story here.Not that they left academic medicine.Not that one built a locums career and the other built a cash-pay practice.It’s that they stopped assuming the career they had been handed was the only ...
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    1 h et 3 min
  • #117 Solving for Math not Mind Drama

    #117 Solving for Math not Mind Drama
    Sep 28 2026

    Empowered Surgeons Group is going to Cabo January 6th-10th, 2027 for a mindset coaching intensive. Learn more about the retreat here. Interview for a spot at the retreat here.

    You know that old adage: when life gives you lemons, make lemonade? What that means is solving for a result we want as opposed to indulging in our own mind drama. That's what this episode is all about. When you learn how to process through mind drama, you reach your goals faster and raise your self-concept to someone who can solve any problem.

    Easier said than done. This is where a coaching relationship helps: to pick you up in your failures. If you are ready to jumpstart your personal development, the Women Surgeons' Retreat is the ideal place to do that.

    Get on my calendar today to interview for a spot.

    And join Empowered Surgeons Group to get started on this process right away.
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    35 min
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