We sit down with the remarkable J'Lein Liese, a PhD in psychology whose life journey bridges everything from training police in South Africa and advising on post-crisis conflict at Sandy Hook, to her early days as a 13-year-old horse trainer searching for belonging on the Mexican border.

This conversation is a masterclass in the art of genuine human connection. J'Lein Liese shares deeply personal stories and lessons from her work in some of the world’s most intense conflict zones, revealing practical frameworks for dissolving division and leading with empathy - whether you’re in a boardroom, a crisis, or just trying to get through a tough family dinner.

You’ll hear about her four-step “FEED” process for navigating difficult conversations, the neuroscience of why we disconnect, and real-life examples - from negotiating in the Middle East to addressing the polarization that’s gripping families and organizations today. If you’ve ever wondered how to keep a relationship intact when values collide, or why “tell me more” is the most powerful phrase you can use, this episode is for you.

Get ready to laugh, reflect, and maybe do a little soul-searching as we dig into what it means to play nicely in the sandbox - no matter how high the stakes. Enjoy the conversation.

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Selling Isn’t Everything is produced by Chris Stone at Cast Ahead: https://CastAhead.net