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  • 33: Rethink customer experience orchestration with AI: Insights from Adobe Enterprise CMO Rachel Thornton

    33: Rethink customer experience orchestration with AI: Insights from Adobe Enterprise CMO Rachel Thornton
    Feb 4 2026
    How can marketing leaders deliver personalization at scale as content demands surge? How do brands protect discoverability as customers shift their search focus from SEO to answer engines and AI agents? At CES 2026, Alan Hart sat down with Rachel Thornton, Enterprise CMO at Adobe, to unpack the ways AI is reshaping customer experience orchestration and the content supply chain. Rachel explains that real personalization drives a major increase in content needs, and that AI can compress production cycles so teams can create, test and optimize large volumes of campaign assets faster than humans alone while staying consistent and on-brand across channels. The conversation then turns to generative engine optimization (GEO) and answer engine optimization (AEO) where Rachel notes discoverability is increasingly dependent on how brands show up in AI-driven search results and in the broader ecosystem of content beyond their own websites. Throughout the conversation, Rachel reinforces that making AI work requires coordinated change across data foundations, processes and skills, not just new tools. She also offers practical lessons for other CMOs on centering customer needs and building a culture of curiosity and experimentation, so teams keep learning as the marketing playbook evolves. In this episode, you'll learn: Ways AI enables personalization at scale Strategies to modernize the content supply chain How AI is shifting marketing and the adjustments marketers can make to stay discoverable Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:00] A love of reading [01:40] Rachel's career path [02:50] Life as the Enterprise CMO [03:55] How AI is changing the marketing role [06:05] Content supply chain at its best [07:45] Using AI to its full potential [09:20] Discoverability in the AI era [11:45] Lessons for CMOs [13:20] Examples of companies doing marketing well [14:15] An experience that defines you: Customer face time [16:05] Advice to your younger self: It's not linear. Try new things! [16:45] A topic marketers need to learn more about: AI [17:40] What are you curious about: Robots [18:30] Largest opportunity to marketers today: "Everybody is a creator at heart" [19:50] CES trends: Embedded AI Resources mentioned: The Covenant of Water by Abraham Verghese Adobe Creative Cloud Adobe Marketo Engage Adobe GenStudio for Performance Marketing Adobe LLM Optimizer Adobe Digital Academy Project Fizzion (Coca-Cola x Adobe) Adobe x NFL partnership CES Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts   Listen on Amazon Music  Listen on Audible  Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify   Connect with Rachel Thornton and Adobe: Rachel Thornton on LinkedIn Adobe on LinkedIn Adobe on Instagram Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital:    Alan Hart on X Alan Hart on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on Instagram  Deloitte Digital on YouTube  Deloitte Digital on Threads   
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    21 min
  • 32: Strategies to link marketing to revenue: Insights from Anaplan CMO Jim Freeze

    32: Strategies to link marketing to revenue: Insights from Anaplan CMO Jim Freeze
    Jan 21 2026
    How might your marketing strategy change if you could prove—with shared baselines and benchmarks—which efforts truly move the needle, and which don't? Anaplan CMO Jim Freeze explains how AI is evolving marketing workflows, elevating creative focus, and tightening the link to measurable outcomes. He details how his team sets explicit productivity goals and uses AI to support content development, enabling marketers to spend more time on strategy, creativity and smarter channel-mix decisions. He also dives into measurement fundamentals with practical advice leaders can act on now: establish transparent targets, align on baselines and industry benchmarks, and report progress regularly. The conversation also emphasizes tighter alignment with sales, stronger finance fluency for marketers, and preparing for the AI-driven search that will reshape content and site strategy. In this episode, you'll learn: Jim's tips to demonstrate marketing's value with metrics leaders trust The importance of baselines, benchmarks and transparent reporting to earn credibility with the C-suite The potential benefits of cross‑functional accountability and AI integration to pipeline velocity, win rates and team focus Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:40] Our first math major and second lawyer [04:20] From programming in C to being a CMO [07:55] The scope of Anaplan [12:15] How Anaplan is using AI [15:45] The evolution of the marketer role [18:45] Demonstrating the value of marketing [23:25] The importance of transparency [26:55] Ways to improve your measurement framework [30:00] An experience that defines you: Leaving law [32:25] Advice to your younger self: Take more risks [33:10] A topic marketers need to learn more about: Finance [34:50] Trends and subcultures to watch: AI search [35:40] Largest opportunity to marketers today: AI Resources mentioned: Anaplan Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts   Listen on Amazon Music  Listen on Audible  Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify   Connect with Jim Freeze and Anaplan: Jim Freeze on LinkedIn Anaplan on LinkedIn Anaplan on YouTube Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital:    Alan Hart on X Alan Hart on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on Instagram  Deloitte Digital on YouTube  Deloitte Digital on Threads   
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    39 min
  • 31: Turning a marketing idea into a product: Insights from Sift's former Chief Marketing Officer Armen Najarian

    31: Turning a marketing idea into a product: Insights from Sift's former Chief Marketing Officer Armen Najarian
    Jan 7 2026
    What if your next marketing idea could become your company's most valuable product? Armen Najarian, former CMO at Sift, discusses the challenges of marketing in the digital fraud prevention industry, the power of incentives, and how a marketing solution became an impactful product innovation. Armen shares how creative referral programs like "Super Sifters" and a strong focus on third-party reviews have elevated Sift's market position and built lasting customer trust. He also explains how the company's Fraud Industry Benchmarking Resource (FIBR) tool began as a marketing initiative that faced internal pushback over essentially making company data open source. Despite the risks, the idea evolved into a real-time, peer comparison product feature—and ultimately became Sift's top demand generator. Armen's experience highlights the value of bold experimentation and cross-functional, innovative thinking in driving marketing-led growth. In this episode, you'll learn: The incentive strategies that move the needle for Sift How a bold marketing idea can turn into a standout product feature The benefits of finding a personal connection to your work Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:05] Escaping to eastern Maine [03:15] Armen's path to Sift [05:20] The scope of Sift [06:20] From brand management to product marketing [07:55] 10 years in cybersecurity [10:10] Incentive strategies and bobble heads [13:45] How marketing can become a product [15:10] FIBR product demonstration [18:25] An experience that defines you: Entrepreneurship [22:40] Advice to your younger self: Don't sweat the small stuff [24:00] A topic marketers need to learn more about: Experimenting with AI [25:25] Trends and subcultures to watch: Philosophy [26:00] Largest opportunity to marketers today: AI Resources mentioned: Sift FIBR G2 Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts   Listen on Amazon Music  Listen on Audible  Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify   Connect with Armen Najarian and Sift: Armen Najarian on LinkedIn Sift on LinkedIn Sift on YouTube Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital:    Alan Hart on X Alan Hart on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on Instagram  Deloitte Digital on YouTube  Deloitte Digital on Threads   
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    29 min
  • 30: Building billion-dollar brands with purpose: Insights from Mars Wrigley North America & Global Ice Cream President Anton Vincent

    30: Building billion-dollar brands with purpose: Insights from Mars Wrigley North America & Global Ice Cream President Anton Vincent
    Dec 17 2025
    How can marketing leaders balance rapid change, emerging technology and brand purpose to drive lasting growth and loyalty across a portfolio of iconic brands? Anton Vincent, president of Mars Wrigley North America & Global Ice Cream, shares what it looks like to lead with purpose across a suite of powerhouse brands spanning confections, pet care and food. He discusses how Mars balances ambitious growth with a real commitment to responsibility, ensuring that business success and positive societal impact go hand in hand. Anton also underscores the strategic value of developing talent and enabling people to move across different business areas to encourage agility and fresh thinking. He shares why creativity remains essential for brands—especially as technology and analytics redefine what's possible—and highlights the discipline required to uphold quality and brand integrity in a crowded, fast-moving marketplace. Throughout the conversation, Anton stresses that enduring relevance and brand loyalty come from continuous learning and a clear understanding of both consumers and culture. In this episode, you'll learn: Why centering business growth with real purpose can create a lasting impact at scale How ideas supported by data and fueled by originality can capture and hold people's attention in today's crowded market Ways to build agile teams and nurture authentic brands to stay relevant in a constantly changing world Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:30] Basketball talk [04:30] Anton's path to Mars [08:00] The scope of Mars [10:20] Alan's love to Hubba Bubba [12:20] Scale versus independence of brands [14:05] The Mars talent strategy [15:40] Navigating the evolving marketing ecosystem [18:20] Marketing that adapts to change [20:30] Notable recent work [22:05] An experience that defines you: Top Secret Popcorn recall [26:00] Advice to your younger self: Slow down [28:30] A topic marketers need to learn more about: Connecting creativity with technology [33:45] Largest opportunity or threat to marketers today: Constant learning Resources mentioned: Mars Wrigley SNICKERS NFL Bedtime with Josh Allen Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts   Listen on Amazon Music  Listen on Audible  Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify   Connect with Anton Vincent and Mars Wrigley: Anton Vincent on LinkedIn Mars on LinkedIn Mars on Instagram Mars on YouTube Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital:    Alan Hart on X Alan Hart on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on Instagram  Deloitte Digital on YouTube  Deloitte Digital on Threads   
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    37 min
  • 29: When a brand film works to shift perception: Insights from Lingokids CMO and COO Mikael Journo

    29: When a brand film works to shift perception: Insights from Lingokids CMO and COO Mikael Journo
    Dec 10 2025
    Lingokids Chief Marketing and Chief Operating officer (CMO and COO) Mikael Journo shares how he skillfully blends data-driven strategies with intuitive decision-making to strike a perfect balance between brand building and performance marketing. Drawing from his extensive career experience, Mikael discusses the challenges of marketing to modern parents and highlights how Lingokids—the leading interactive app for children ages 2–8—addresses their worries. When a recent study revealed that 75% of millennial parents feel guilty about their child's screen time, Mikael and his team saw an opportunity to lean in and shift the conversation. They did so by producing "The Trial," a film that directly confronts this issue and aims to ease parental guilt. Mikael also shares the thought process around the risks involved in the film and launch campaign, outlines the production process, and discusses the results that exceeded the brands expectations. In this episode, you'll learn: The importance of balancing intuition and brand building with data and performance marketing Challenges and strategies for marketing to modern parents Why and how Lingokids created a brand film Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:30] The podcast's first shark wrestler [02:50] Mikael's path to Lingokids [08:30] The scope of Lingokids [11:05] Marketing as a growth driver [13:35] Balancing the dual roles of CMO and COO [16:25] Marketing to modern-day parents [18:30] "The Trial" brand film campaign [25:45] Navigating challenging subject matter [29:05] A big bet that paid off [31:10] An experience that defines you [34:00] Advice to your younger self [34:50] A topic marketers need to learn more about [36:15] Trends and subcultures to watch [39:40] Largest opportunity or threat to marketers today Resources mentioned: Screen time guilt survey "The Trial" (Lingokids brand film) Piel Studio Director, Diego Hurtado de Mendoza Composer, Fernando Velázquez Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts   Listen on Amazon Music  Listen on Audible  Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify   Connect with Mikael Journo and Lingokids: Mikael Journo on LinkedIn Lingokids on Instagram Lingokids (for kids) on YouTube Lingokids (for grown-ups) on YouTube Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital:    Alan Hart on X Alan Hart on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on Instagram  Deloitte Digital on YouTube  Deloitte Digital on Threads   
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    42 min
  • 28: Creating Gen Z FOMO in experiential marketing: Insights from Museum of Illusions Chief Marketing Officer Andy Levey

    28: Creating Gen Z FOMO in experiential marketing: Insights from Museum of Illusions Chief Marketing Officer Andy Levey
    Dec 3 2025
    Chief marketing officer (CMO) Andy Levey pulls back the curtain on experiential marketing at the Museum of Illusions (MOI) across the world, revealing the clever strategies that keep audiences coming back long after opening day. With more than 20 years of marketing experience across entertainment, hospitality and lifestyle, Andy's unconventional career path is as intriguing as the illusions he now promotes. By building strong relationships with local groups and businesses, MOI positions itself as an important part of every community it launches in. One benefit of making those connections is they extend MOI's reach to audiences who might otherwise be outside the museum's marketing budget or traditional targets. Andy and his team focus especially on engaging Gen Z by designing video-first and shareable experiences, inspiring user-generated content, and partnering with social media influencers to spark excitement and create a powerful FOMO (fear of missing out) that drives repeat visits, online sharing and lasting brand loyalty. In this episode, you'll learn: How using influencers, user-generated content and a video-first strategy can help brands authentically connect with Gen Z and drive meaningful engagement The importance of building a strong local market presence for earning trust, collaborating more effectively, and standing out as a valued community contributor How smarter data collection can power more effective marketing decisions and foster influential relationships Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:35] From banking to the circus [07:45] What is the Museum of Illusions? [10:55] Strategies to reach Gen Z [13:25] Andy's approach to experiential marketing [15:30] "Establishing the base" [17:45] The data collection strategy [19:30] Maintaining energy after the opening [21:05] Brand collaborations [26:50] An experience that defines you: Living abroad and beginning in a startup [30:40] Advice to your younger self: Find your voice earlier [31:45] A topic marketers need to learn more about: AI implementation [33:20] A topic marketers need to learn more about: Gen Z internet culture [36:00] Largest opportunity or threat to marketers today: Entertain and deliver Resources mentioned: Museum of Illusions Museum of Illusions locations PLAY Playground Two Bit Circus La Perle by Dragone Cirque du Soleil Entertainment Group Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts   Listen on Amazon Music  Listen on Audible  Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify   Connect with Andy Levey and Museum of Illusions: Andy Levey on X Andy Levey on LinkedIn Museum of Illusions on LinkedIn Museum of Illusions on Instagram Museum of Illusions on YouTube Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital:    Alan Hart on X Alan Hart on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on Instagram  Deloitte Digital on YouTube  Deloitte Digital on Threads   
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    42 min
  • 27: Ford's data decisioning for dealers and drivers: Insights from Ford Motor Company Head of Marketing Technology and Dealer Platforms, Mark Sucrese

    27: Ford's data decisioning for dealers and drivers: Insights from Ford Motor Company Head of Marketing Technology and Dealer Platforms, Mark Sucrese
    Nov 21 2025
    Ford is using advanced data and analytics to make smarter, more personalized decisions that connect and benefit both its dealers and drivers. Mark Sucrese, head of marketing technology and dealer platforms at Ford Motor Company, shares why he believes effective marketing leadership in the automotive industry depends on combining customer insight, adaptable technology and responsible innovation. Mark discusses how his team enhances both dealer and customer experiences by leveraging technology to strengthen brand connections throughout the customer life cycle. He explains the need to strategically manage customer data in a B2B2C environment and describes Ford's focus on achieving small, high-impact wins—particularly through hyperpersonalized experiences enabled by advances in AI. The conversation underscores the importance of balancing the art and science of marketing, embracing experimentation, and integrating decisioning models with robust data and flexible technology. Adopting a thoughtful, measured approach to AI and new technologies is becoming essential for responsible, future-ready marketing leadership. In this episode, you'll learn: How Ford uses smart decisioning to transform diverse data into highly personalized customer experiences Why embracing experimentation and learning quickly from failure can accelerate growth and innovation Which technology trends Mark believes could reshape the automotive industry's future Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [00:55] Celebrities: They're just like us [02:45] Mark's path to Ford [05:05] The scope of his dual role [06:10] Managing data in the B2B2C model [07:20] Personalization and the data needed to power it [08:55] Leadership lessons [10:15] Perspectives on decisioning [12:25] A measured approach to AI integrations [14:30] The future of technology for the automotive industry [16:05] An experience that defines you: A hard career truth [17:10] Advice to your younger self: Embrace a "fast fail" mindset [18:00] A topic marketers need to learn more about: Take a tech approach [18:55] Subcultures and trends to follow: Overlanding [19:50] Largest opportunity and threat to marketers today: AI adoption and resistance Resources mentioned: Ford Motor Company Shah Rukh Khan Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts   Listen on Amazon Music  Listen on Audible  Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify   Connect with Mark Sucrese and Ford Motor Company: Mark Sucrese on LinkedIn Ford Motor Company on LinkedIn Ford Motor Company on Instagram Ford Motor Company on YouTube Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital:    Alan Hart on X Alan Hart on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on Instagram  Deloitte Digital on YouTube  Deloitte Digital on Threads   
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    22 min
  • 26: Is your governance ready for AI? Insights from OneTrust Chief Marketing Officer, Michael Schanker

    26: Is your governance ready for AI? Insights from OneTrust Chief Marketing Officer, Michael Schanker
    Nov 19 2025
    Michael Schanker, chief marketing officer (CMO) at OneTrust, shares ways that marketing leaders can rethink their approaches to governance in an era defined by rapid advances in AI and increasing complexity around data responsibility. OneTrust is a global software company that provides a platform for data governance, security, privacy and compliance. As it moves into the emerging category of governing AI, Michael draws on his sales experience to explain the importance OneTrust places on deeply understanding the evolving needs and potential risks facing their customers. He candidly describes OneTrust's journey to create a unified narrative across its product suite, emphasizing that AI governance is not just about compliance, but about protecting brand trust and enabling innovation at speed. Michael encourages marketers to avoid complacency, challenge old habits, and continuously ask themselves if their current approaches fit into a changing world. He also highlights the importance of empathy, continuous learning, and adopting responsible AI practices internally before advising others. For marketing leaders, Michael issues a call to drive change with curiosity, data and a commitment to responsible growth. In this episode, you'll learn: Strategies for modern governance that can help you act fast while protecting trust Why questioning "business as usual" can keep you ahead of the competition The importance of deeply understanding your customers' evolving needs Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:00] Human Google alerts [02:25] Micheal's path to OneTrust [07:30] His first nine months in the role [08:50] Marketing a new category [10:10] What is AI governance? [13:45] AI governance in practice [15:05] AI at OneTrust [16:50] The stakes are high [18:35] "Enabling innovation through the responsible use of data and AI" [19:55] An experience that defines you: Being the son of an artist and an engineer [21:30] Advice to your younger self: Take more pictures [22:40] A topic marketers need to learn more about: Innovative AI use cases [24:25] Subcultures and trends to follow: Storytelling trends in media [27:35] Largest opportunity and threat to marketers today: Complacency Resources mentioned: OneTrust Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts   Listen on Amazon Music  Listen on Audible  Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify   Connect with Michael Schanker and OneTrust: Michael Schanker on LinkedIn OneTrust on LinkedIn OneTrust on Instagram OneTrust on YouTube OneTrust on X Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital:    Alan Hart on X Alan Hart on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn  Deloitte Digital on Instagram  Deloitte Digital on YouTube  Deloitte Digital on Threads   
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    31 min