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Adam Yaeger, Founder & CEO of Llama Lead Gen, sits down with Cassie Gonzales, Designer at Llama Lead Gen, to break down what actually makes ad creatives, landing pages, and websites convert. Cassie draws on years across agency, in-house, and freelance work to explain why visual hierarchy and clarity beat clever design almost every time.

Cassie walks through why you have about one second to stop a scroll, how to design differently for LinkedIn versus Meta and TikTok, and the brief checklist she needs before starting any project. She also covers how to translate vague feedback like “make it pop,” the easiest landing page wins, and where AI genuinely saves her time versus where she’d never let it touch the work.

🔔 Subscribe to @llamaleadgen for practical B2B growth marketing strategies delivered straight to your feed. Here’s what we’ll cover in this episode:

[00:58] How a Remote Year group called the Denali Llamas led to the Llama Lead Gen logo

[06:35] The creative brief checklist every client should answer before design starts

[08:39] Why you have one second, not three, to stop the scroll

[09:21] The job of the first line is to make you read the second: visual hierarchy explained

[11:46] Why resizing one ad for every platform fails on LinkedIn, Meta, and TikTok

[12:59] Designing a giveaway ad versus an ebook or demo ad

[20:59] The top landing page fix: consistency across colours, fonts, and pages

[24:56] Separating your ego from feedback and decoding “make it pop”

[34:48] Portfolio advice: only show the work you actually want to do

[37:09] Where AI saves a designer time, and what it should never touch

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Ep. 6: Why Playing It Safe Kills Your Content (and What Compounds Instead): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jtgyFSx7y0

Ep. 5: Is Cold Outbound Dead? How to Build a Referral Network That Actually Scales: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwQNw4VSTug

Ep. 4: ChatGPT Is the New Google. Is Your Brand Showing Up?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsGM2dUF_vc

Ep. 3: Signal Over Noise: Making High-Stakes Marketing Decisions Without Data Dumping on Leadership: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdjdsn14tsk

Ep. 2: The B2B Channel Playbook: Where to Spend, What to Track, and Why Your CRM Is Lying to You: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByPRl8qEXY4

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In this episode, host Adam Yaeger, Founder & CEO of Llama Lead Gen, sits down with Dan Englander, CEO and Founder of Sales Schema, to unpack why referral-based selling is becoming the highest-leverage channel in B2B, and why cold outbound keeps getting harder to make work.

Dan breaks down the "trust recession" reshaping B2B buying, and why specialization is shrinking the addressable market for traditional cold outreach. He makes the case for treating referrals as a leverage play rather than a scale play, and shares the biggest mistake he sees marketers and founders make: chasing new connections while leaving their existing network untapped. He also walks through why the overengineered commission pitch kills more partnerships than it creates, and how AI is changing (and not changing) the value of old-school trust in a noisier market.

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Here's what we'll cover in this episode:[00:25] Dan's path from cold outbound to referral partnerships at Sales Schema[01:35] What the "trust recession" in B2B actually means and what's driving it[03:33] Is cold outbound dead? Why specialization is shrinking the addressable market[05:39] Rethinking brand building in B2B as "perspective" rather than positioning[07:55] Does referral selling scale? Reframing the question around leverage instead[10:36] The biggest missed opportunity: mining your existing network before chasing new connections[17:37] How to actually ask for intros: reducing friction with specific names and templates[21:41] The most common way referral partnerships die: the overengineered commission pitch[23:57] Does thought leadership drive referrals, or are they separate motions?[27:12] Where AI helps and hurts referral-based selling, and why old-school trust matters more now

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1. Managing Sales Leads From Relationship Building to Closing Deals https://www.llamaleadgen.com/blog/how-to-manage-your-sales-leads/

2. Flywheel Marketing: How Content and Referrals Reinforce Each Other https://www.llamaleadgen.com/blog/flywheel-marketing/

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