🔪 "I suggested them not tell Howard anything about it." A doctor wrote that about a 12-year-old boy in 1960, days before a steel instrument was tapped through the bone above his eye with a hammer. The fee: $200. 🧠

This is the true story of the lobotomy and the part schools skip: it wasn't a hidden horror. Medical journals praised it, newspapers put it on the front page, state hospitals and the Veterans Administration used it, and a Nobel Prize committee honored it. 👏

🕯️ This episode is dedicated to my grandmother, Viola Reese.

🎧 Just Killing Time with Elizabeth Stanton: your night light for the stories that keep us up at night. Truth, crime, conspiracies, and a little hidden history.

🔎 IN THIS EPISODE

Egas Moniz (EH-gahsh moo-NEESH) wins the 1949 Nobel Prize for leucotomy (loo-KOT-uh-mee). It has never been rescinded.

📍 The first U.S. lobotomy, Sept 14, 1936: a woman from Topeka, Kansas

👑 Rosemary Kennedy, 1941, and the secret her family kept

🧊 The kitchen ice pick, the grapefruit, and Dr. Walter Freeman's transorbital (trans-OR-bit-ul) method

🩺 "Operation Ice Pick": 228 operations in West Virginia, July 1952

🎖️ The VA's "Lobotomy Files": about 2,000 veterans

🚐 The Lobotomobile myth, and what the Soviet ban really said

🏥 Oklahoma psychiatric care in the 1940s and 50s, and one family's story of shock treatment

🕯️ Howard Dully, who read his own file after 44 years

❓ QUICK ANSWERS

Who invented the lobotomy? Egas Moniz, Lisbon, 1935. Freeman and James Watts brought it to the U.S. in 1936.

How many Americans were lobotomized? Roughly 40,000. Freeman performed about 3,400 to 3,500 himself, in 23 states.

When did it end? Thorazine arrived in 1954. Freeman's last operation was in 1967, and the patient died.

💬 REAL VOICES

A father: "I was sold a bill of goods." A daughter: "It was just peace." A WWII pilot lobotomized at a VA hospital: "mentally injured, not mentally ill." And Howard Dully: "I know my lobotomy didn't touch my soul." Where sources disagree on dates or numbers, we say so out loud.

📊 KEY FACTS

• 1937: psychiatric patients filled 55% of U.S. hospital beds

• Freeman's patients included at least 19 people under 18

• In Cherokee, Iowa, 3 of 25 patients died in one 1951 visit

• West Virginia, 1952: 25 women in a single day, $25 each

• The U.S. peak was 1949, with 5,074 lobotomies in one year

🔍 TOPICS: history of lobotomy, Walter Freeman ice pick lobotomy, Howard Dully My Lobotomy, Egas Moniz Nobel Prize, transorbital lobotomy, Rosemary Kennedy lobotomy, VA lobotomies of veterans, electroshock history, psychiatric hospital history, Kansas history, hidden history podcast, true crime podcast.

🕯️ Stay for the ending. It's personal, and it starts in Kansas.

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📚 SOURCES

• NPR, "My Lobotomy: Howard Dully's Journey" (2005) and "A Lobotomy Timeline"

• Jack El-Hai, The Lobotomist; el-hai.com

• Howard Dully with Charles Fleming, My Lobotomy (2007)

• Michael M. Phillips, "The Lobotomy Files," Wall Street Journal, Dec 13, 2013

• Elliot Valenstein, Great and Desperate Cures (1986)

• Mical Raz, The Lobotomy Letters; Kate Clifford Larson, Rosemary

• Nobel Prize Foundation (nobelprize.org), Egas Moniz

• Bull Hist Med 2017;91(1):33-61 (Soviet ban)

• Kansas Historical Society, Menninger Foundation records

• KOSU, "The History of Mental Health Care in Oklahoma"; NLM, Mike Gorman profile; Asylum Projects, Norman State Hospital

• Kelly J. Sullivan, smallstatebighistory.com; Mental Floss; Freeman, JAMA, 1953

⚠️ Content note: medical detail of historical brain surgery, including on children. Host opinions are labeled as opinion. Not medical advice.

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🧬 Who was Henrietta Lacks? In 1951, a 31-year-old Black mother of five went to Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore for cervical cancer treatment. While she was under anesthesia, a surgeon took two small tissue samples that no one had asked her about. One of them grew in a lab when no human cells ever had. Those cells, called HeLa, are still alive today, and they have been used in research on polio, cancer, viruses, HPV and genetics. Her family was not told for decades. This is the full story. 🎙️

In this deep-dive episode of Just Killing Time with Elizabeth Stanton, we follow Henrietta Lacks from a tobacco farm in Clover, Virginia, to a segregated ward in Baltimore, and then follow her cells around the world.

🔎 WHAT YOU'LL HEAR

• How a rookie reporter in 1974 found the scrawl "HELEN LANE LIVES" on a bathroom wall and unraveled a hidden name

• Henrietta's life as Loretta Pleasant, a mother of five in Turner Station, Maryland

• Dr. Howard Jones's notes on a tumor that looked like "grape Jello"

• What a radium treatment actually involved in 1951

• How George Gey and Mary Kubicek discovered the first immortal human cells

• Her death on October 4, 1951, and the red toenail polish that changed how a lab technician saw the cells

• The Tuskegee HeLa cell factory that helped test the Salk polio vaccine

• The "HeLa bomb," contaminated cell lines, and a scientific cover name

• The Lacks family's story: blood draws that felt like a cancer test, and Elsie's death at Crownsville

• The BTK connection: a daughter's stored Pap smear and the police warrant that used it 🕯️

• Moore v. Regents, the 2013 HeLa genome, the NIH-Lacks Family Agreement, the WHO award, and lawsuits against Thermo Fisher, Ultragenyx, Novartis and Viatris ⚖️

❓ QUICK ANSWERS

Was it legal? Sources agree taking the tissue was legal in the 1950s. Johns Hopkins says it never sold or patented HeLa cells.

Why "Helen Lane"? A scientist told Rolling Stone no one was sure how that name caught on.

Was she ever paid? No. Her estate has since settled confidentially with Thermo Fisher (2023), Novartis (2026) and Viatris (2026). The Ultragenyx case was active as of April 2026.

📌 KEY FACTS

• Born August 1, 1920, in Roanoke, Virginia; died October 4, 1951, at age 31

• HeLa cells double about every 20 to 24 hours (Johns Hopkins)

• About 20,000 tubes of HeLa cells a week were produced at Tuskegee at the peak of polio vaccine testing

• WHO posthumous award: October 13, 2021

🩺 WHY IT MATTERS

Johns Hopkins calls the 1951 collection of her cells an acceptable and legal practice for the time, says it never sold or patented HeLa, and says it could and should have done more to inform her family. In this episode, documented facts are kept separate from my opinions, and my opinions are labeled as opinion. Where sources disagree on a date or a number, I say so out loud.

💬 TIME KILLER FILES: Ever wonder what happened to a sample taken at your doctor's office? Email me your story and tell me what you think.

📚 SOURCES

• Rebecca Skloot, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks (2010)

• Johns Hopkins Medicine, "The Legacy of Henrietta Lacks"

• Britannica, "Henrietta Lacks"

• Embryo Project Encyclopedia (Arizona State University)

• Johns Hopkins Magazine, "Immortal Cells, Enduring Issues"

• Rolling Stone, "The Double-Edged Helix" (1976)

• NIH, "The NIH-Lacks Family Agreement"

• WHO news release, October 13, 2021

• Moore v. Regents, 51 Cal.3d 120 (1990)

• Lacks v. Ultragenyx, D. Md., Civ. No. DLB-23-2171

• Gartler, Nature 217:750 (1968)

• Brown & Lowenberg, Stanford J. of Law, Science & Policy (2009)

• 42 CFR 493.1105

• Seeger Weiss LLP case page (April 2026)

• NPR, PBS, CNN, AP, STAT News

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Before there was Tuskegee's whistleblower, there was Guatemala — and almost nobody knew about it for 60 years. 🩺

Between 1946 and 1948, the U.S. Public Health Service — under Dr. John C. Cutler — deliberately infected more than 1,300 Guatemalan prisoners, sex workers, soldiers, psychiatric patients, and orphaned children with syphilis, gonorrhea, and chancroid, without consent, to test venereal disease prevention methods for American soldiers.

In this episode of Just Killing Time, Elizabeth Stanton walks through:

🔎 The failed Indiana prison experiment that led researchers to Guatemala

🔎 The direct inoculation methods used — including injections at the base of the skull

🔎 The staggering fact that this ran the SAME YEAR the Nuremberg Code was written to prevent exactly this kind of experimentation

🔎 How historian Susan Reverby uncovered it by accident in 2003

🔎 President Obama's 2010 apology to Guatemala's president

🔎 The lawsuits that never resulted in a single dollar of compensation

🔎 The chilling fact that Dr. Cutler later worked on the Tuskegee Syphilis Study too

This is truth, crime, conspiracy, and hidden history — the version of American history that doesn't make it into a textbook.

🕯️ "This is Just Killing Time, I am your host Elizabeth Stanton, this is a podcast about truth, crime, conspiracy, and a little hidden history sprinkled in."

📚 SOURCES: Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues ("Ethically Impossible," 2011) • Susan Reverby, Journal of Policy History (2011) • CDC review of the John C. Cutler Papers • National Archives at Atlanta • PBS NewsHour • Al Jazeera • Baltimore Sun • CourtListener.com case records • National Library of Medicine (PMC)

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