Host Jason Michael Perry sits down with Justin Pierce, co-chair of the Intellectual Property Division at Venable LLP, to talk about who actually owns your ideas once AI is involved, and why the answer changes depending on where you typed them.

Anthropic just paid over a billion dollars to settle the largest copyright case in U.S. history, over digital books used to train Claude. The twist: the same judge ruled that scanning physical books the company had legally purchased counted as fair use. Jason and Justin unpack where that line actually sits, why a dozen similar lawsuits against AI companies are still unresolved, and what it means when the companies fighting over stolen training data built their own models the same way.

They also get into who owns the knowledge in your head once you write it down for an AI to use, why your ChatGPT history might be more discoverable than your email, and what Justin tells CEOs about what never to type into a chatbot.

Podcast Notes & Links

• Anthropic settlement + the Alsup fair use ruling
• Apple v. OpenAI (trade secrets)
• The New York Times v. OpenAI
• Meta's Model Capability Initiative
• Google v. SerpApi dismissal
• Learn more about Venable LLP
• PerryLabs - Start with an AI Assessment

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