Kenny Wallace sits down with AJ Allmendinger, and AJ’s career path is wilder than you’d guess.

His parents mortgaged their house three times to keep him in go-karts. He qualified dead last at Bristol and called it the happiest moment of his life. He gave his prize money back just to keep a ride. Then he won the Rolex 24, a Cup race at Watkins Glen, and the Brickyard.

AJ opens up about crying in Victory Lane at the Roval, why he sits on the plane after a bad race convinced, he’s letting everybody down, and the checkered flag he almost handed away before stealing it back for his newborn son. He also explains why he drove Michael Shank’s Rolex car for free, and why he says he lives the best life in the world and is miserable every single day.

Kenny trades his own racing money horror stories, they talk Kyle Larson, and AJ gives his honest take on the Next Gen car and NASCAR’s tech inspection fines. Originally aired 10/18/23.

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Kyle Larson needed ten straight top-ten finishes to basically lock up the Cup title. Phoenix ended that dream in a hurry: a 22nd-place qualifying run, a car that never came alive, and a wall at the end of it.

Ken Schrader’s out for a second week, so Kenny Wallace brings in Rick Mast, his old running buddy from the Busch Grand National days, and the two of them get into everything. Rick opens with the story of showing up to his daughters’ country-music birthday bash dressed as Waylon Jennings. From there, it’s Tyler Reddick ending a long drought and flipping the championship picture upside down. Seven drivers are now separated by 56 points, with Talladega, Martinsville, and Homestead left. Who will take the win is anybody’s guess.

Rick drops a theory that might offend a few people: that Larson’s points lead has been hiding a Chevy problem that’s been there all year. Kenny wonders why Larson keeps telling everyone his car isn’t good, and the guys compare Denny Hamlin’s heartbreak history to Mark Martin’s and ask whether this is finally his year.

Then it gets fun. Kenny passes along Dick Trickle’s three-step lesson in how to wreck somebody (pop him, lift him, then send him), and Rick answers with a Langley story about teaching a guy to quit beating on his bumper. They also dig into how the sport has changed, from the Saturday-night bullrings that raised them to the system kids come up through now.

This week has plenty of recapping, reminiscing, and speculating as the season comes down to the final three races.

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Michael Andretti doesn’t dodge. Kenny Wallace gets the IndyCar legend and team owner to explain how Team Penske got busted with push-to-pass on their cars, why Michael thinks they knew exactly what they had, and whether Roger himself was in on it. He also reveals the meeting where he told Roger IndyCar’s marketing needs a serious overhaul, and Roger wasn’t thrilled to hear it.

Then come the stories. Dale Earnhardt once begged Michael to drive for him, and it ended with Dale in the wall and a friendship that never recovered. Michael explains why he retired at 41 while leading the Indy 500, and what it’s like to rack up 42 wins and never win the biggest race in the world. He also gives his take on how NASCAR’s arrival at Indianapolis helped kick off the open-wheel split that nearly killed IndyCar. Kenny and Michael also get into life as a team owner heading into the month of May, with Colton Herta leading the points and Marco Andretti coming back for another run at the 500. Michael talks about growing up in a family that put four Andrettis in the same Indy 500, his dad Mario’s incredible journey from Italy, and how his father was still hitting 200 mph in the two-seater at the young age of 83.

Originally aired 4/29/24. It’s NASCAR meets IndyCar on Kenny Conversation.

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