Jack spent 35 years in a security housing unit, aka "the hole," and he’s got some stories to tell.

You can hear more about Jack's story on the PBS documentary The Strike.

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This episode was scored with music by Antwan Williams, David Jassy, Derrell Sadiq Davis, Tam Nguyen, and Earlonne Woods.

Thanks, as always, to Warden Andes, Lt. Berry, and Sgt. Graves at San Quentin Rehabilitation Center; Acting Warden Padilla, Associate Warden Lewis, and Lt. Avina at the California Institution for Women; and Acting Warden Chanelo and Lt. Vogel at the Central California Women's Facility, for their support of the show.

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We solicited questions about life in prison from audience members at our live shows. Then, we took those questions into a couple prisons we'd never been to before — Folsom State Prison in California, and SCI Chester in Pennsylvania — and got answers.

Subscribe to Ear Hustle Plus! Next week, Nigel takes EH+ subscribers on a mysterious "friend date." And coming up: a conversation with the Drexel University researcher who brought "Little Scandinavia" to a Pennsylvania prison. Sign up at earhustlesq.com/plus or directly in Apple Podcasts.

Big thanks to the folks at SCI Chester in Pennsylvania, and Folsom State Prison in California, for showing us around and answering Catch a Kite questions for this episode.

This episode was scored with music by Antwan Williams, David Jassy, and Derrell Sadiq Davis.

Thanks, as always, to Warden Andes, Lt. Berry, and Sgt. Graves at San Quentin Rehabilitation Center; Acting Warden Padilla, Associate Warden Lewis, and Lt. Avina at the California Institution for Women; and Warden De La Cruz and Lt. Vogel at the Central California Women's Facility, for their support of the show.

Ear Hustle is a proud member of Radiotopia, from PRX.