Jayne Sugg joins Josh Harris to talk about her album Belief Is Hard and what it means to make honest art when faith is uncertain and belief feels fragile.

Jayne grew up with a clear sense of who she was supposed to be and what her musical future would look like. She would make Christian music. She would become a worship leader. The path felt obvious, until doubt entered the picture and quietly changed everything.

In this conversation, Jayne and Josh talk about creating art in the midst of uncertainty, about writing songs that tell the truth when belief isn’t neat or resolved, and about her album Belief Is Hard, which traces her own evolving relationship with faith. They listen to parts of the album together and reflect on the role creativity can play when answers feel incomplete.

This episode is for anyone who’s wondered whether there’s room for honesty, beauty, and expression when faith feels wobbly, and for anyone learning that belief isn’t something you solve so much as something you live with.

Connect with Jayne:

Website: jaynesugg.com

Instagram: @seejayne

Tiktok: @jaynesugg

Josh Harris sits down with author Brian Recker to talk honestly about hell, deconstruction, and what remains when fear-based religion falls apart.

Together, they explore the grief of losing religious community, the courage it takes to rethink deeply held beliefs, and why so many people feel spiritually homeless after walking away from traditional evangelical structures.

Brian and Josh unpack how the doctrine of hell has shaped Christian mission, identity, and urgency, often at the expense of love, justice, and inclusion. They revisit Jesus’ teachings on Gehenna, the “narrow gate,” and the cross, placing them back in their historical context and asking what they actually reveal about God, power, and resistance.

About Brian Recker

Brian Recker is a former Marine officer, the son of a Baptist preacher, and a graduate of Bob Jones University. He spent eight years as an evangelical pastor before undergoing a profound deconstruction of his faith and moving toward a more inclusive, love-centered spirituality.

Today, Brian speaks openly about following Jesus without fear of hell through his writing and social platforms, including his Substack, Beloved. His book, Hell Bent, challenges one of Christianity’s most deeply embedded doctrines and argues that fear has distorted the heart of the gospel. Released on September 30, Hell Bent quickly became a USA Today best-seller.

Brian lives in Raleigh, North Carolina, and is a father of four.

Connect with Brian

• Substack – Beloved: https://brianrecker.substack.com/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/berecker/?hl=en

• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@berecker87
• His book "Hell Bent": ⁠https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/771172/hell-bent-by-brian-recker/

What if the goal isn’t to break a strong-willed child but to nurture that untamed will into something beautiful?

That’s the question parenting coach Amy Hughes keeps asking—and it has taken her far beyond the “strong-willed child” playbook popularized by Dr. James Dobson. In this conversation Amy and Josh explore a gentler, truly Christian vision of authority, discipline, and discipleship—one that treats kids as whole people made in God’s image.

• How “conscious parenting” reframes discipline as connection first, correction second

• Why words like “good” or “bad” can warp a child’s sense of God and themselves

• The hidden damage of fear-based obedience inside church culture

• Practical ways to coach (not crush) a strong-willed kid

• Repairing relationships with older children through humble apologies

• Trusting God’s sovereignty over your child’s spiritual journey instead of micromanaging it

Amy is a certified conscious-parenting coach who helps moms and dads move from control and coercion to curiosity and connection. Drawing on her faith and years of mentoring families, she equips parents to raise confident, compassionate kids and to enjoy the process along the way.

Connect with Amy:

• Instagram: @simplelittleamy

• Website & coaching resources