Six hours distilled. Mark van der Pol and Adrienne Fritze of Conundrum House Experiences sit with us and we wander through massacre sites and magic carpets, dissociation learned at five and the skill it became, We play Know Thyself and discover that Mark seeks harmony while Adrienne seeks freedom... and that neither of them are who they thought they were. We talk about brains as rendering agents, emotions as the actual processors, and the terror of disintegrating in a crowded room. And we find the slick bubble that lets you walk back into the noise without losing yourself.

This conversation is healing happening in real time.

🖇️Shoutouts & Tags:

• Conundrum House — Play and event space in Corvallis, OR. Come play differently.
• Know Thyself — The card game that guarantees you'll never finish knowing yourself.

Original music by Buddy Anderson! Check out his portfolio website: aaronbuddyanderson.com

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In this deeply moving and expansive conversation, Michael Avery sits down with Christopher Hupp, an intuitive massage therapist, Reiki Master, and Meridian Massage practitioner whose work bridges ancient wisdom, energy medicine, and heartfelt spiritual guidance.

Christopher shares his extraordinary journey from a debilitating back injury and open-heart surgery, to studying directly under an 83-year-old master healer, to embarking on multiple Native American vision quests that forever changed how he perceives reality. Together, they explore the parable of the blind men and the elephant, the importance of moving from head to heart, forgiving ourselves and others, and remembering that love is the primordial soup we all swim in.

This episode is a masterclass in perspective-shifting, intuitive healing, and living as a conscious expression of emotion and spirit.

Guest Bio: Christopher is the owner of Wise Hands Massage in Oregon. He combines therapeutic massage, Meridian Massage (a technique he learned directly from his mentor), Reiki, and direct guidance from spirit to help clients release pain, trauma, and energetic blocks so they can remember who they truly are.

Connect with Christopher: Phone/Text: (503) 910-6110 Facebook: Wise Hands Massage

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Original music by Buddy Anderson!

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In this special collab, Weird Fruits (Marebear & Stevie) joins Michael for a playful, profound dive into Joan Osborne's "One of Us"... sparking reflections on seeing God in the everyday, somatic receiving of compliments, mortal-immortal balance, belonging as Earth's "fruit," and sacred fruit rituals (red kiwi fireworks, pomelo sunrises). From energy exchanges to archetypes, we explore curiosity, presence, and what it means to feel seen. A joyful, curiosity-fueled mashup of podcasts, perfect for weird fruits and seekers questioning the divine in the details.

References:

• Joan Osborne's "One of Us" (song discussed as God's voice)
• Somatic practices: Receiving compliments (pause and feel), sacred meals (taste/give thanks for life forms), rose petal visualization (blessings for challenges)
• Fruits: Red kiwi (firework energy, crunchy seeds), Pomelo (soft sunrise, ancestral grapefruit)

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• The Fundamental Sense (2 & 3 hour intuitive massage)
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Original music by Buddy Anderson!

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Socials: @thisisemotionart

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