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Wounds Wisdom and The Word

Wounds Wisdom and The Word

De : Doug Gregory & Jamie Shepperd
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A preacher and a trauma counselor tackle life’s hardest problems with biblical truth and evidence-based therapy. Each episode blends Scripture, psychology, and practical tools you can use today—so you can move from wounds to wisdom, with the Word lighting the way© 2026 Doug Gregory & Jamie Shepperd Hygiène et vie saine Psychologie Psychologie et psychiatrie Spiritualité
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    • Episode 10: People Pleasing and Getting Unstuck
      Feb 10 2026
      Watch the video version here: https://youtu.be/ZpCweVel-EoHosts: Jamie and DougGuest: Anetta (Doug's wife)Episode Summary: In this episode, recorded after a break due to holidays and the 2026 ice storm, the team continues the "Being Stuck and Getting Unstuck" series. Jamie leads a discussion on three related topics: people pleasing (#6 on her list), low self-worth (#7), and rescuing others (#8). These are presented as symptoms of deeper issues, rooted in seeking external validation rather than genuine service. The conversation blends psychological insights, personal anecdotes, and biblical principles to help listeners identify and overcome these patterns.Key Topics and Timestamps:00:00 - 01:19: Intro and Catch-Up Welcome back after holidays and "Snowmageddon 2026." Introduction to the series on being stuck/unstuck. Jamie outlines topics: rescuing others, no self-worth, and people pleasing as interconnected issues.01:19 - 03:24: Defining People Pleasing People pleasing is toxic and distinct from being servant-minded (biblically encouraged). It's rooted in chasing approval, validation, and affirmation. Example: Bringing a meal to someone out of fear of judgment vs. genuine care. Jamie notes it's selfishly motivated—focused on how it makes you feel.03:24 - 04:13: Selfish Motivation and Generational Roots Doug suggests it's often learned from generational trauma, where pleasing others brought temporary peace or praise. Jamie agrees, linking it to childhood conditioning where love feels conditional.04:13 - 07:32: Childhood Conditioning and Emotional Unavailability Detailed examples: Parents focusing on a B grade instead of praising A's, making kids feel "not good enough." Emotionally unavailable caregivers reject subtle bids for attention (e.g., asking for help tying shoes as a test of love). Kids internalize: "I'm not important enough."07:32 - 11:48: TBRI and Connecting with Children Jamie shares from her internship at the Papillon Center (Gallatin, TN; also in Paducah, KY). TBRI (Trust-Based Relational Intervention) helps adoptive and biological families connect emotionally. Key practice: Ask "What do you need from me?" instead of "What's wrong?" to avoid implying something is wrong with the child. Emphasizes making kids feel seen and valued, even when saying no.11:48 - 15:11: Consistency Over Perfection; People Pleasing as Trauma Response Parenting isn't about always saying yes—it's about consistency and emotional security. People pleasing stems from trauma, including subtle childhood experiences. It's a form of fawning (trauma response: becoming small/compliant to avoid harm). Doug: "Emotional chameleon—what do you want?"15:11 - 16:21: Fawning vs. Freezing Fawning: Getting small and compliant to stay safe. Differs from freezing (immobilization).16:21 - 20:22: Attachment Styles and Fear Attachment lenses from childhood: Secure (healthy) vs. insecure (anxious, avoidant, ambivalent). Insecure attachments lead to fear of abandonment/rejection. Fueled by low self-esteem, shame, and unworthiness. Narrative: We seek evidence to confirm negative self-beliefs (confirmation bias). Doug: "If you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail."20:22 - 22:22: Not Always Tied to Major Trauma Childhood experiences can feel traumatic to a child, even if viewed differently as an adult. Validate the child's perspective.22:22 - 24:19: Survival Behaviors and Their Toll These behaviors served in childhood but harm now (elephant rope analogy). Leads to emotional burnout, resentment, inability to say no. Quote from "Boundaries" book: "You can never say no to anybody if you can't say yes to yourself."24:19 - 26:17: Cycle of Resentment and Unhealthy Relationships Resentment builds toward others (and self). Attracts imbalanced relationships subconsciously because it feels "normal." Affects emotional health (anxiety, depression) and physical health (stress, cortisol overload, sleep issues).26:17 - 28:02: Physical and Emotional Impacts Constant stress harms focus, tasks, and overall health. Doug references Luke 15 (prodigal son "came to himself" in the hog pen)—the "aha" moment of self-reflection.28:02 - 35:01: Steps to Overcome Self-reflection: Recognize fears and question internal narratives. Practice saying no gently (e.g., "I appreciate the invite, but I'll pass today."). Seek therapy: Jamie shares a client story of a 19-year-old recognizing patterns in relationships. Set boundaries: Not walls, but "friendly fences" to protect yourself. Biblical concept. 35:01 - 40:42: Biblical Boundaries and Jesus' Example Boundaries in Scripture: Jesus sets limits (e.g., leaving crowds to pray). Insights from "The Chosen": Jesus as human, replenishing himself. Gethsemane scene: Flashbacks, seeing disciples as "little boys." Renegotiating expectations in relationships.40:42 - 45:12: Closing Banter and Final Thoughts Light-hearted chat about in-person vs. virtual recording, coffee spots (Fellowship Coffee), and past episodes. Final ...
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    • EP.9: Unstuck: Resilience & Roots - Coming Back, Not Bouncing Back
      Dec 24 2025

      Watch the video version here: https://youtu.be/5vAYx1K7i_Q

      Podcast Show Notes

      Episode Title: EP.9: Unstuck: Resilience & Roots - Coming Back, Not Bouncing Back

      Episode Summary: In this episode of Wounds, Wisdom, and the Word, Doug and Jamie kick off a new series exploring the "Top 10 Reasons Why People Get Stuck." Working their way up from the bottom of the list, they tackle reasons #10 (Lack of Resiliency) and #9 (No Foundation for Growth).

      The conversation moves beyond the cliché of "bouncing back" to the deeper concept of "coming back" transformed. From humorous stories about surviving college math classes to the serious reality of job loss, Doug and Jamie discuss how our childhood examples—or lack thereof—shape our ability to navigate life’s hardest hits. They conclude with a look at John 5, asking the difficult question: Do you actually want to be healed?

      Key Topics Discussed:

      • Defining Resilience: Why "bouncing back" implies returning to where you were, while "coming back" implies growth and a new normal.
      • The "Embrace the Suck" Mentality: How the willingness to endure discomfort is the prerequisite for change.
      • Failing Forward: Discussing Dr. Sasha Shillcutt’s TED Talk and the five habits of resilient people .
      • Foundations for Growth: How parental modeling (or the lack of it) affects our ability to problem-solve as adults.
      • Men and Identity: A candid look at why men define themselves by what they conquer and do.
      • Biblical Application: The invalid at the Pool of Bethesda (John 5) and the necessity of "want to".

      Timestamps:

      • 00:00 – Introduction: Moving from "Comfortable in the Mud" to the Top 10 List.
      • 04:30 – Bouncing vs. Coming Back: Why we shouldn’t aim for our old normal.
      • 09:00 – Storytime: Doug’s mom, a career change, and the stress of math class.
      • 16:00 – The Art of Failing Forward: 5 traits of resilient people.
      • 22:00 – The Wright Brothers & Elon Musk: Failure as a stepping stone.
      • 33:00 – Perspective is a superpower.
      • 40:00 – Reason #9: No Foundation for Growth (What did our parents model?).
      • 50:00 – "Roger Gregory would be proud": The value of watching someone solve problems.
      • 52:00 – Scripture Study: John 5:1-9 and the question, "Do you want to be healed?"

      Resources & References:

      • TED Talk: "The Art of Failing Forward" by Dr. Sasha Shillcutt.
      • Scripture Reference: John 5:1-9 (ESV).

      Scripture of the Week:

      "When Jesus saw him lying there and knew that he had already been there a long time, he said to him, 'Do you want to be healed?'" — John 5:6 (ESV)
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    • Ep. 8 - Being To Comfortable In The Mud
      Dec 9 2025

      Watch The Video Version Here: https://youtu.be/9kw2cu3yeaA

      Episode Summary:In this episode of Wounds, Wisdom in the Word, Doug and Jamie dive deep into the concept of getting "stuck in the mud" of life. Doug opens with a study of Exodus 8, focusing on the baffling moment when Pharaoh chooses to spend one more night with a plague of frogs rather than being healed immediately.


      Jamie brings her counseling expertise to the table with a "Top 10 List" of reasons why people resist change, even when their current situation is painful. From trauma responses to the fear of the unknown, we explore why we choose the "discomfort we know" over the freedom we don’t.


      Key Topics & Timestamps:

      • [00:00:24] Jamie’s return and recovery.
      • [00:01:26] The Bible Study: Exodus 8 and the Plague of Frogs. Why did Pharaoh say "Tomorrow"?.
      • [00:03:55] The spiritual application: Why do we delay healing and change?.
      • [00:13:31] The Mud Hole Analogy: How to help others without getting stuck in the mud with them (The Wrecker Metaphor).
      • [00:19:05] Jamie’s Top 10 Reasons We Stay Stuck:
        • 10. Absence of natural resilience.
      • 9. No foundation of growth/lack of role models.
      • 8. Rescuing others but not yourself (Codependency).
      • 7. No self-worth (Feeling unworthy of healing).
      • 6. People Pleasing.
      • 5. Feeling unprotected (Vulnerability).
      • 4. Uncertainty of what the future looks like.
      • 3. Lack of Security (Maslow’s Hierarchy).
      • 2. Fear of the change/unknown.
      • 1. Being too comfortable in the "mud".
      • [00:44:39] The "Poopy Diaper" analogy: It stinks, but it's warm and it's mine.
      • [00:45:15] The difference between wanting it fixed vs. wanting to fix it.
      • [00:50:55] Funny Story Time: Remembering Jerry Clower.

      Scripture References:

      • Exodus 8:1-15: The Second Plague (Frogs).
      • Mark 12:31: Loving your neighbor as yourself.

      Memorable Quotes:

      • "Why do you wanna spend one more night with the frogs?" — Doug
      • "If you're working harder than your client, you're working too hard." — Jamie
      • "If you plan to help anybody, you can't be in the mud with them. The best place for you to be is on the solid ground." — Jamie
      • "There's a big difference between wanting it fixed and wanting to fix it." — Doug
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