A weekly live show covering all things Freedom Tech with Max, Q and Seth.

HELP GET SAMOURAI A PARDON

• SIGN THE PETITION ----> https://www.change.org/p/stand-up-for-freedom-pardon-the-innocent-coders-jailed-for-building-privacy-tools
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VALUE FOR VALUE

Thanks for listening you Ungovernable Misfits, we appreciate your continued support and hope you enjoy the shows.

You can support this episode using your time, talent or treasure.

TIME:

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TALENT:

- create ungovernable misfit inspired art, animation or music
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- use whatever talents you have to make a contribution to the show!

TREASURE:

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- DONATE via Monero @ https://xmrchat.com/ugmf
- BUY SOME STICKERS @ https://www.ungovernablemisfits.com/shop/

FOUNDATION

https://foundation.xyz/ungovernable

Foundation builds Bitcoin-centric tools that empower you to reclaim your digital sovereignty.

As a sovereign computing company, Foundation is the antithesis of today’s tech conglomerates. Returning to cypherpunk principles, they build open source technology that “can’t be evil”.

Thank you Foundation Devices for sponsoring the show!

Use code: Ungovernable for $10 off of your purchase

CAKE WALLET

https://cakewallet.com

Cake Wallet is an open-source, non-custodial wallet available on Android, iOS, macOS, and Linux.

Features:
- Built-in Exchange: Swap easily between Bitcoin and Monero.
- User-Friendly: Simple interface for all users.

Monero Users:
- Batch Transactions: Send multiple payments at once.
- Faster Syncing: Optimized syncing via specified restore heights
- Proxy Support: Enhance privacy with proxy node options.

Bitcoin Users:
- Coin Control: Manage your transactions effectively.
- Silent Payments: Static bitcoin addresses
- Batch Transactions: Streamline your payment process.

Thank you Cake Wallet for sponsoring the show!

MYNYMBOX

https://mynymbox.io

Your go-to for anonymous server hosting solutions, featuring: virtual private & dedicated servers, domain registration and DNS parking. We don't require any of your personal information, and you can purchase using Bitcoin, Lightning, Monero and many other cryptos.

Explore benefits such as No KYC, complete privacy & security, and human support.

In these episodes, Max and John read Keonne’s recent letters written from FPC Morgantown. The aim in sharing this is simple: amplify Keonne’s story, support him and Bill, and ensure help reaches their families. If his voice isn’t your thing, the full text is linked in the show notes—please read, listen, and share. Consider sending a letter, a book via an approved retailer, or some sats. Your support matters, and together we can keep their stories alive and make a tangible difference.

LINK TO THE LETTER AT THE RAGE

Write to Keonne:


Keonne Rodriguez
11404-511
FPC Morgantown
FEDERAL PRISON CAMP
P.O. BOX 1000
MORGANTOWN, WV 26507


Mailing Guidelines:


Please note: You can only send letters (no more than 3 pages long). No packages or other items are allowed. Books, magazines, and newspapers must be sent directly from the publisher or an online retailer like Amazon. All letters must include a full return address and sender name to be delivered.

HELP GET SAMOURAI A PARDON

• SIGN THE PETITION ----> https://www.change.org/p/stand-up-for-freedom-pardon-the-innocent-coders-jailed-for-building-privacy-tools
• DONATE TO THE FAMILIES ----> https://www.givesendgo.com/billandkeonne
• SUPPORT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ---> https://billandkeonne.org/

In this special series, Max shares why we’re hosting and preserving the Unbounded archive at Ungovernable Misfits. In the third re-release of the series, Seth For Privacy — educator, builder and VP at Cake Wallet joins TBD.

Seth brings a candid, practical nuance to the state of Bitcoin and Monero, the realities of social media and education, and what “good enough privacy” means for everyday people versus targeted dissidents. Seth and TBD dig into saving in Bitcoin, spending in Monero, the impact of the Samourai Wallet case, why PayJoin V2 and silent payments matter, and how adoption—not tribalism—will determine the future of digital sovereignty.

Seth shares a pragmatic optimism: we’re winning in usability and tooling, but only if we keep building, learning and refusing false binaries. We explore the current crossroads for Bitcoin privacy, the legal chill from Tornado Cash/Samourai prosecutions, Nostr versus X for reach, and Monero’s resilience amid delistings.

Seth outlines practical advice for non-technical users, red lines for builders, and his long-view goal: tools that let individuals opt out of broken systems and into freedom—no permission required.

Stay resilient, and enjoy the series as we continue with Pavel and Colonial in the weeks ahead.

TWITTER: https://x.com/TheUNBOUNDEDPod
YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@TheUnboundedPodcast

(00:00:00) Thank You TBD

(00:01:41) INTRO

(00:02:30) The Educator Journey

(00:12:29) No Desire For Privacy

(00:17:16) Freedom Tech Maximalist

(00:21:36) Fork in the Road

(00:25:05) Winning or Losing?

(00:30:53) Good-Enough Privacy & Threat Models

(00:39:55) Real-world Use, On/Off Ramps and Merchant Adoption

(00:47:40) Saving Bitcoin, Spending Monero

(00:53:03) PayJoin v2, Silent Payments & Product Adoption

(01:00:28) Red Lines, Legal Risks & Developer Concerns

(01:10:22) Monero's Resilience

(01:17:33) What Will the World Look Like?

A weekly live show covering all things Freedom Tech with Max, Q and Seth.

HELP GET SAMOURAI A PARDON

• SIGN THE PETITION ----> https://www.change.org/p/stand-up-for-freedom-pardon-the-innocent-coders-jailed-for-building-privacy-tools
• DONATE TO THE FAMILIES ----> https://www.givesendgo.com/billandkeonne
• SUPPORT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ---> https://billandkeonne.org/

VALUE FOR VALUE

Thanks for listening you Ungovernable Misfits, we appreciate your continued support and hope you enjoy the shows.

You can support this episode using your time, talent or treasure.

TIME:

- create fountain clips for the show
- create a meetup
- help boost the signal on social media

TALENT:

- create ungovernable misfit inspired art, animation or music
- design or implement some software that can make the podcast better
- use whatever talents you have to make a contribution to the show!

TREASURE:

- BOOST IT OR STREAM SATS on the Podcasting 2.0 apps @ https://podcastapps.com
- DONATE via Monero @ https://xmrchat.com/ugmf
- BUY SOME STICKERS @ https://www.ungovernablemisfits.com/shop/

FOUNDATION

https://foundation.xyz/ungovernable

Foundation builds Bitcoin-centric tools that empower you to reclaim your digital sovereignty.

As a sovereign computing company, Foundation is the antithesis of today’s tech conglomerates. Returning to cypherpunk principles, they build open source technology that “can’t be evil”.

Thank you Foundation Devices for sponsoring the show!

Use code: Ungovernable for $10 off of your purchase

CAKE WALLET

https://cakewallet.com

Cake Wallet is an open-source, non-custodial wallet available on Android, iOS, macOS, and Linux.

Features:
- Built-in Exchange: Swap easily between Bitcoin and Monero.
- User-Friendly: Simple interface for all users.

Monero Users:
- Batch Transactions: Send multiple payments at once.
- Faster Syncing: Optimized syncing via specified restore heights
- Proxy Support: Enhance privacy with proxy node options.

Bitcoin Users:
- Coin Control: Manage your transactions effectively.
- Silent Payments: Static bitcoin addresses
- Batch Transactions: Streamline your payment process.

Thank you Cake Wallet for sponsoring the show!

MYNYMBOX

https://mynymbox.io

Your go-to for anonymous server hosting solutions, featuring: virtual private & dedicated servers, domain registration and DNS parking. We don't require any of your personal information, and you can purchase using Bitcoin, Lightning, Monero and many other cryptos.

Explore benefits such as No KYC, complete privacy & security, and human support.

In this special series, Max shares why we’re hosting and preserving the Unbounded archive at Ungovernable Misfits. In the second re-release of the series, Diverter — a privacy activist and champion of financial sovereignty joins TBD.

TBD and Diverter discuss Bitcoin’s evolution from a fragile experiment into a durable network, and the new danger it faces—not extinction, but domestication. Diverter explains why the real fight now is over whether individuals can still use Bitcoin as a tool for freedom, the chilling effect of recent prosecutions, and how development of privacy tools is being pushed underground.

They trace Diverter’s journey from a 2016 trader to a Bitcoin privacy advocate, his early connection to Samourai Wallet, and the community ethos of clear red lines and radical personal responsibility. He reflects on the cost of building and defending privacy, why most people “fold” under state pressure, and the honour—and inevitability—of sacrifice in this arena.

TBD and Diverter discuss the Samourai case, the legal whiplash around non-custodial tools, the ripple effects across the industry, and why open source resilience matters. Despite setbacks, Diverter remains convinced that “winning” means keeping the door open for anyone who chooses sovereignty—small daily acts of defiance, built by a decentralised, determined community.

Stay resilient, and enjoy the series as we continue with Seth, Pavel, and Colonial in the weeks ahead.

TWITTER: https://x.com/TheUNBOUNDEDPod
YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@TheUnboundedPodcast

(00:00:00) Thank You TBD

(00:01:41) INTRO

(00:03:07) Bitcoins New Danger

(00:08:24) Motivations

(00:12:20) The Origin

(00:22:20) Captivated to Contributor

(00:30:55) Accepting Risk

(00:38:45) Choke Points & Culture War

(00:43:51) Pioneers and Proving Grounds

(00:46:21) Why Privacy Tools Matter

(00:52:00) Death Athletic

(00:55:14) The Open Source Hydra

(00:58:39) Community Response?

(01:05:53) Cassandra Syndrome

(01:09:19) What Winning Looks Like

A weekly live show covering all things Freedom Tech with Max, Q and Seth.

HELP GET SAMOURAI A PARDON

• SIGN THE PETITION ----> https://www.change.org/p/stand-up-for-freedom-pardon-the-innocent-coders-jailed-for-building-privacy-tools
• DONATE TO THE FAMILIES ----> https://www.givesendgo.com/billandkeonne
• SUPPORT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ---> https://billandkeonne.org/

VALUE FOR VALUE

Thanks for listening you Ungovernable Misfits, we appreciate your continued support and hope you enjoy the shows.

You can support this episode using your time, talent or treasure.

TIME:

- create fountain clips for the show
- create a meetup
- help boost the signal on social media

TALENT:

- create ungovernable misfit inspired art, animation or music
- design or implement some software that can make the podcast better
- use whatever talents you have to make a contribution to the show!

TREASURE:

- BOOST IT OR STREAM SATS on the Podcasting 2.0 apps @ https://podcastapps.com
- DONATE via Monero @ https://xmrchat.com/ugmf
- BUY SOME STICKERS @ https://www.ungovernablemisfits.com/shop/

FOUNDATION

https://foundation.xyz/ungovernable

Foundation builds Bitcoin-centric tools that empower you to reclaim your digital sovereignty.

As a sovereign computing company, Foundation is the antithesis of today’s tech conglomerates. Returning to cypherpunk principles, they build open source technology that “can’t be evil”.

Thank you Foundation Devices for sponsoring the show!

Use code: Ungovernable for $10 off of your purchase

CAKE WALLET

https://cakewallet.com

Cake Wallet is an open-source, non-custodial wallet available on Android, iOS, macOS, and Linux.

Features:
- Built-in Exchange: Swap easily between Bitcoin and Monero.
- User-Friendly: Simple interface for all users.

Monero Users:
- Batch Transactions: Send multiple payments at once.
- Faster Syncing: Optimized syncing via specified restore heights
- Proxy Support: Enhance privacy with proxy node options.

Bitcoin Users:
- Coin Control: Manage your transactions effectively.
- Silent Payments: Static bitcoin addresses
- Batch Transactions: Streamline your payment process.

Thank you Cake Wallet for sponsoring the show!

MYNYMBOX

https://mynymbox.io

Your go-to for anonymous server hosting solutions, featuring: virtual private & dedicated servers, domain registration and DNS parking. We don't require any of your personal information, and you can purchase using Bitcoin, Lightning, Monero and many other cryptos.

Explore benefits such as No KYC, complete privacy & security, and human support.

HELP GET SAMOURAI A PARDON

• SIGN THE PETITION ----> https://www.change.org/p/stand-up-for-freedom-pardon-the-innocent-coders-jailed-for-building-privacy-tools
• DONATE TO THE FAMILIES ----> https://www.givesendgo.com/billandkeonne
• SUPPORT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ---> https://billandkeonne.org/