In this episode of Unconventional Wisdom About Conventional Wisdom, I sit down with John Lees co-founder of Copay Technologies, a PhD physicist, five-time Ironman, volunteer firefighter, husband, and father whose leadership lessons come from far beyond the boardroom.

John and I talk about why pretending to have all the answers is overrated, how saying “we’ll figure it out” can actually build more trust, and why situational awareness matters more than rigid strategy. We explore how firefighting, endurance sports, and entrepreneurship all demand the same core skill: staying grounded while everything around you is changing.

We also dive into:

Why healthcare is intentionally complicated — and how transparency can change lives

The myth that great leaders must sacrifice everything else

What imposter syndrome really feels like behind the scenes

How knowing your North Star helps you pivot without losing yourself

This conversation is a reminder that leadership isn’t about perfection — it’s about presence, curiosity, and choosing impact over ego.

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In this episode of Unconventional Wisdom about Conventional Wisdom, I sit down with Vivic, a former medical doctor turned business leader, for a fascinating conversation about leadership, decision-making, and what it really takes to scale a business responsibly.

Vivic shares his unconventional journey from practicing medicine including cosmetic surgery to building, scaling, and exiting multiple businesses. Today, he leads a growing network of cosmetic clinics across Australia, and he brings a rare perspective shaped by both clinical discipline and entrepreneurial risk-taking.

We talk about the critical mindset shift required when moving from medicine where risk must be minimized to business where calculated risk can drive growth. Vivic explains how the grit developed through years in healthcare prepared him for the unpredictability of leadership, and why being comfortable with uncertainty is essential for long-term success.

Throughout our conversation, we explore key topics such as:

-Why “new and shiny” isn’t always better in business or healthcare

-Making data-driven decisions instead of relying on gut instinct alone

-Hiring fast, firing faster, and what most leaders get wrong about interviews

-How to define success clearly so teams can actually meet expectations

-Leading through mission, not ego or hierarchy

Vivic also shares a simple but powerful framework for decision-making asking whether something is legal, has upside, and is reversible offering practical guidance for leaders facing constant uncertainty.

This episode is a thoughtful, grounded look at modern leadership, blending discipline with adaptability and wisdom with action. If you’re a founder, executive, or professional navigating complex decisions and rapid change, this conversation will challenge how you think and how you lead.

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In this episode of Unconventional Wisdom about Conventional Wisdom, I sit down with Ashley Bundis for an honest and reflective conversation about leadership, growth, and the realities of navigating change over the course of a career.

Ashley and I talk openly about what it means to evolve professionally when the path forward isn’t always clear or linear. She shares insights from her own journey, and together we explore how experience, perspective, and self-awareness shape the way we lead, make decisions, and define success for ourselves.

We dig into important topics including:

Trusting your instincts when facing career transitions

Letting go of outdated or inherited definitions of success

How confidence shifts over time—and how doubt still shows up

The role of self-awareness in effective leadership

Navigating change without forcing yourself into conventional expectations

This conversation is thoughtful, grounded, and deeply relatable for anyone questioning their next step or reassessing what growth really looks like at this stage of life.

If you’re looking for reassurance that you don’t need all the answers to move forward—just honesty, reflection, and the willingness to listen to yourself this episode is for you.

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