Most of us do everything we can to avoid rejection—but what if there are actually some positives to it?

Writer and podcast host Alice Draper joins me to talk about why rejection hurts, what it can teach us, and how to build your “rejection resilience muscle.”

We cover the difference between rejection and failure, why it’s important not to let rejection stop you, and the surprising upside of hearing “no.”

Alice Draper and the founder of the podcast guesting company, Hustling Writers and the host of the award-winning podcast "My Rejection Story".

On her podcast, My Rejection Story, you can listen to bestselling authors like Whitney Goodman, Guy Winch, or Jesse J. Anderson share how they navigated the toughest periods of their personal and professional lives, and how this shaped the success they now experience today. Her words can be found in HuffPost, Business Insider, VICE, Refinery29.

Some of Alice's favorite things include strong coffee, affordable travel hacks, and deep connections. She detests small talk, waking up early, and unnecessary jargon.

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Tune in each week for practical, relatable advice that helps you feel your best and unlock your full potential. If you’re ready to prioritize your health and level up every area of your life, you’ll find the tools, insights, and inspiration right here.

Check out Esther’s website for more about her speaking, coaching, book, and more: http://estheravant.com/

Buy Esther’s Book: To Your Health: https://a.co/d/iDG68qU

Esther’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/esther.avant

Esther’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/estheravant/

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Yes, I'm actually making a case for doing things that might feel “extreme”, not for the sake of pushing limits endlessly, but because of how those experiences can permanently change what feels hard.

I talk about why “extreme” is relative to the person, and how challenges that stretch you can recalibrate your perspective on effort, discomfort, and what you’re capable of.

This episode isn’t about being reckless or living at the extremes, it’s about how intentionally doing hard things can build confidence that carries into other areas of your life and makes future challenges feel more manageable.

Tune in each week for practical, relatable advice that helps you feel your best and unlock your full potential. If you’re ready to prioritize your health and level up every area of your life, you’ll find the tools, insights, and inspiration right here.

Check out Esther’s website for more about her speaking, coaching, book, and more: http://estheravant.com/

Buy Esther’s Book: To Your Health: https://a.co/d/iDG68qU

Esther’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/esther.avant

Esther’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/estheravant/

Learn more about 1:1 health & weight loss coaching: https://madebymecoaching.com/coaching

This episode digs into entrepreneur & author Trunnis Goggins’ “4 Ps of You.”

We cover how having a clear sense of purpose can guide your choices, why planning is so much more effective than just winging it, and how persistence can carry you through when progress feels slower than you’d like.

Trunnis also shares how the 4 Ps—purpose, planning, passion, and persistence—work together as a simple framework for both health and life goals.

If you’ve ever struggled with consistency, motivation, or figuring out how to create a plan that actually fits your busy life, this conversation will give you the clarity and encouragement to keep moving forward with confidence.

Trunnis Goggins, II is an entrepreneur, educator, speaker, and author of The 4P’s of You: Expanded Edition. His core philosophy—Purpose, Planning, Passion, and Persistence—offers practical tools not only for professional success but also for building a healthier lifestyle. Having overcome personal challenges, Trunnis is passionate about helping others set clear goals, create sustainable plans, and stay persistent when the journey gets tough. Through his 4P Group and international speaking, he equips audiences with strategies to strengthen both their mindset and overall well-being, empowering people to thrive in every area of life.

Link:Website: https://4ps-group.com/ Buy The 4 Ps of You: https://a.co/d/gw3WQVm Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/trunnisgoggins/ Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-4ps-podcast-with-trunnis-goggins-ii/id1715747402

Tune in each week for practical, relatable advice that helps you feel your best and unlock your full potential. If you’re ready to prioritize your health and level up every area of your life, you’ll find the tools, insights, and inspiration right here.

Check out Esther’s website for more about her speaking, coaching, book, and more: http://estheravant.com/

Buy Esther’s Book: To Your Health: https://a.co/d/iDG68qU

Esther’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/esther.avant

Esther’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/estheravant/

Learn more about 1:1 health & weight loss coaching: https://madebymecoaching.com/coaching