"The hardest thing is to not try and solve their problem in the sales interview, just listen to the business case, and then come up with clever ways to achieve that business case really as easily as you possibly can. So you're looking for smaller projects, not bigger projects. It's, it's a complete mind shift."
-Jonathan Stark

Jonathan Stark,  author of Hourly Billing is Nuts, breaks down why hourly billing holds you back. He shares how shifting to value-based pricing changes your income, your clients, and your time. Jonathan explains how writing, teaching, and niching help you stand out, and why clients buy outcomes, peace of mind, and confidence, not hours.

In this interview, you'll also learn:

• Why hourly billing rewards inefficiency & limits growth
• What mindset shifts you need to stop selling time
• How specialization & authority support higher pricing

To learn more about Jonathan, click here.

Get a copy of his book, Hourly Billing Is Nuts, at this link.

Connect with him on LinkedIn.

Time Stamps

00:58 – Why hourly billing is nuts & how Jonathan discovered it
04:00 – Discovering value-based fees & applying them in year one
05:40 – Breaking the habit of scoping during sales calls
09:18 – Pricing options based on outcomes, not deliverables
11:30 – How fixed pricing improves trust & client behavior
16:21 – Connecting your work to revenue growth or cost reduction
18:55 – Selling peace of mind as a measurable outcome
20:58 – Why working fewer hours should not mean earning less
22:31 – How AI & automation increase value, not risk
25:35 – Why predictable pricing benefits both you & your clients
29:00 – Identifying what different clients truly value
31:09 – Letting go of poor-fit clients to grow sustainably
36:10 – Why Jonathan wrote Hourly Billing Is Nuts
38:57 – Books that support the shift away from hourly billing
42:17 – What it means to "own your authority"
44:25 – Why being different matters more than being cheaper
47:07 – Using specialization to escape price competition
48:57 – Writing as a long-term growth strategy
50:12 – Where to find Jonathan's free resources

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"Slow down. I think we move so fast and we're trying to go in straight to the solution and there could be multiple things that the customer needs and we miss opportunities when we move too fast."
-Syvonia Brown

In this Spotlight episode, Syvonia Brown, Director of Sales at Sage 50 US, talks about emotional intelligence and why it matters more than most bookkeepers realize. She shares practical ways to handle tough client conversations, slow down reactive thinking, and build trust without taking on unnecessary stress.

In this interview, you'll learn:

• How active listening changes difficult client conversations
• Why silence can be a powerful communication tool
• How to show empathy without absorbing client emotion

To learn more about Syvonia, click here.

Explore Sage at this link.

Time Stamp

01:20 – What emotional intelligence really means in client work
02:10 – Checking in with yourself before client conversations
02:55 – Why jumping to solutions causes problems
04:25 – Using silence to help clients feel heard
05:17 – Simple techniques to avoid filling the silence
06:46 – Phone, video, or email how & tone changes everything
10:42 – Empathy without taking issues personally
12:21 – Why apologizing can make things worse
14:06 – De-escalating upset clients without matching their tone
16:14 – Taking accountability when mistakes happen
18:30 – Handling issues when you don't know the full story
20:01 – Embedding emotional intelligence into firm culture
21:22 – Training teams to lead with empathy
23:21 – How emotional intelligence drives loyalty & referrals
25:29 – Practical habits bookkeepers can apply immediately

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" Selling is not necessarily the answer. Exit can mean continuing to be part of it, but in a different way."
–Salim Omar

In this episode, Salim Omar, CPA and author of The CPA Firm Exit Playbook, shares what it takes to build a firm that works without constant owner involvement. Drawing from 30 years as a firm owner, Salim explains how systems, marketing, and leadership shape firm value and future options.

In this interview, you'll learn:

• Why owner dependency limits growth & firm value
• How systems & teams prepare your firm for the next chapter
• What buyers actually look for in an accounting firm

To learn more about Salim, click here.

Get a copy of his book, The CPA Firm Exit Playbook.

Connect with him on LinkedIn.

Time Stamp

01:49 – Salim's journey from CFO to firm owner
04:22 – Discovering The E-Myth & changing how he ran his firm
06:03 – Shifting from technician to business owner
08:49 – Leading with curiosity & leaving ego behind
12:37 – Why Salim wrote The CPA Firm Exit Playbook
14:14 – The biggest exit planning mistakes firm owners make
16:15 – Removing owner dependency years before selling
18:21 – Why growth & marketing matter to buyers
22:49 – Education-based marketing & attracting better clients
29:01 – Redefining exit without fully stepping away
30:59 – Straight Talk Transitions & available resources

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