Alison and Seth sit down with Katie Luman, LPC, for the second installment of The H.O.P.E. Series (Hearing Other People's Experiences). Katie brings clarity to the differences between codependency and enabling versus interdependency and healthy detachment. The group discusses important topics like self-awareness, boundaries, emotional wellness, open communication and intimacy.

Resources related to this episode:

• More about Katie Luman, LPC: https://www.katieluman.com/
• "The Codependency Collection" by Melody Beattie: https://www.melodybeattie.com/books/

In this episode, Alison and Seth delve into a question that is frequently contemplated but seldom voiced in early recovery: Is there a suitable alternative?

Discussing matters such as obsessive thoughts, preoccupation and addiction transference, the co-hosts dive deeper to explore what’s really behind the need for a substitute.

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Alison and Seth are thrilled to kick off the inaugural episode of The H.O.P.E. Series (Hearing Other People's Experiences) – an ongoing edition of the show that highlights the experience, strength and hope of others in recovery. For the first time since launching "The Recovery Coach Podcast" in October 2021, the topic of 'family recovery' takes center stage. Jeanne and Jeff Schultz share their transformational journey as they moved from denial of their son's addiction to complete freedom, thanks to the support and wisdom they received from others who had walked the path before them.⁣

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Resources related to this episode:⁣

• Al-Anon: https://al-anon.org/
• Alateen: https://al-anon.org/newcomers/teen-corner-alateen/
• Co-Dependents Anonymous (CoDA): https://coda.org/
• Families Anonymous (FA): https://familiesanonymous.org/
• "Lost and Found" by Jeff Schultz: http://specials.myajc.com/lost-found/
• What Are the Three Cs of Al-Anon? https://www.northstartransitions.com/post/what-are-the-three-cs-of-al-anon
• "Broken: My Story of Addiction and Redemption" by William Cope Moyers: https://www.hazelden.org/store/item/11672
• "The Codependency Collection" by Melody Beattie: https://melodybeattie.com/books/
• Comedian Mark Lundholm: https://marklundholm.com/