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The sweet proof of research to back up what you already know about summer camp. Join Travis Allison and Dr. Mandi Baker as they focus in on prominent and emerging research in the summer camp world and share the ways that camp professionals can leverage that research to get more kids to camp.

The Pudding is part of the Go Camp Pro podcast network. Find a Podcast for Camp Pros of every age and stage at https://gocamp.pro/podcasts

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    • Maslow and Turner’s Take on Transformation from Camp’s “Magic” - with Star Wilkes - The Pudding #21
      Jan 7 2026

      Find full show notes and links at: https://gocamp.pro/the-pudding/turner-and-maslow-to-transformation-and-magic

      Unpacking the Transformative Power of Summer Camps for Staff

      In this episode, Dr. Mandi Baker and Travis Allison interview Star Wilkes, Lecturer in Special Education, Disability, and Inclusion Studies at the University of Wolverhampton. Star shares her journey from working at a special needs camp in America to becoming a researcher and university lecturer in the UK. She explains her research based on sending her students to work for an American camp. Drawing on surveys, weekly journal entries and interviews, Star explores the links between liminal communities (Turner) and “peak experiences” (Maslow). Star reflects on the importance of reflective practices and mentoring cultures in enhancing the camp experience for staff and campers alike. The episode concludes on Star's future plans to publish her findings and explore the recipe for “camp magic” further.

      • 00:19 Meet the Hosts and Star’s Journey to Camp Research
      • 08:51 Star’s Study on Camp Staff Diaries
      • 11:15 Unpacking the Concept of Liminality (Turner)
      • 22:01 Durkheim’s “Collective Effervescence”
      • 24:59 Maslow’s “Peak Experiences”
      • 29:39 Star’s Students at Camp & Further Research Goals
      • 35:53 Key Weeks with Shared Experiences
      • 37:12 Future Directions & Episode Wrap-up

      Your Hosts

      • Dr. Mandi Baker, Researcher - Summer Camp, Outdoor Recreation, Sociology and Hospitality/Tourism - getlamped@gmail.com
      • Travis Allison, Summer Camp Consultant - Go Camp Pro - travis@gocamp.pro
      • Star Wilkes, Lecturer in Special Educational Needs, Disability and Inclusion Studies, University of Wolverhampton - S.Wilkes2@wlv.ac.uk
      Thanks to our sponsors!

      The American Camp Association - Illinois

      The American Camp Association of Illinois is made up of nearly 289,000 members, volunteers, campers, families, and professionals who believe in the power of camp. We work to disrupt the effects of poverty by providing fundamental services for children and families, and learning opportunities for camp professionals. Learn more about ACA Illinois by visiting acail.org.

      Camptivities

      You know the impact you want camp to make in a child’s life. But figuring out the day-to-day details can be overwhelming. Let Camptivities help you make that impact by streamlining the creation of your camp activity schedules. Schedule a demo at camptivities.com.

      Free Resilient Camp Blueprint Diagnostic: https://camp.mba/travis

      Take it once a month to see how all of your work is progressing.

      Free Resilient Camp Blueprint Diagnostic: https://camp.mba/travis

      Take it once a month to see how all of your work is progressing.

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      44 min
    • Transforming Leadership Beyond the Binary - with Dr. Kiah DeVona - The Pudding #20
      Dec 3 2025

      Find full show notes and links at: https://gocamp.pro/the-pudding/leadership-beyond-the-binary

      Insights on Gender Stereotypes and Expanding Leadership Styles in Camps

      In this episode of The Pudding, hosts Dr. Mandi Baker and Travis Allison interview Dr. Kiah DeVona, a recent PhD graduate from the University of Connecticut. Kiah discusses her research on gender and leadership in camp settings, notably focusing on how camps can support women and non-binary individuals in leadership roles and the impact of gender stereotypes on leaders in day camps. The team also explores the broader implications of leadership structures and the importance of fostering an inclusive and supportive environment for all genders in camp leadership.

      • 00:00 Meet the Hosts & Kiah’s Path to Camp Research
      • 02:35 Exploring Gender Stereotypes and Leadership in Camps
      • 09:26 The Importance of Traditionally “Feminine” Leadership Skills
      • 15:24 Promoting Inclusive Leadership at Camps
      • 21:22 Shifting Thinking Around Leadership Styles
      • 27:18 Communicating Safety & Care Over Fun to Parents
      • 30:57 Encouraging Women and Non-Binary Leaders
      • 32:29 Future Directions & Episode Wrap-up

      Your Hosts

      • Dr. Mandi Baker, Researcher - Summer Camp, Outdoor Recreation, Sociology and Hospitality/Tourism - getlamped@gmail.com
      • Travis Allison, Summer Camp Consultant - Go Camp Pro - travis@gocamp.pro
      • Dr. Kiah DeVona, Adjunct Faculty, UConn Neag School of Education - kiah.devona@uconn.edu

      Additional Links of Interest

      • Kiah DeVona on Google Scholar
      Thanks to our sponsors!

      The American Camp Association - Illinois

      The American Camp Association of Illinois is made up of nearly 289,000 members, volunteers, campers, families, and professionals who believe in the power of camp. We work to disrupt the effects of poverty by providing fundamental services for children and families, and learning opportunities for camp professionals. Learn more about ACA Illinois by visiting acail.org.

      Camptivities

      You know the impact you want camp to make in a child’s life. But figuring out the day-to-day details can be overwhelming. Let Camptivities help you make that impact by streamlining the creation of your camp activity schedules. Schedule a demo at camptivities.com.

      Free Resilient Camp Blueprint Diagnostic: https://camp.mba/travis

      Take it once a month to see how all of your work is progressing.

      Free Resilient Camp Blueprint Diagnostic: https://camp.mba/travis

      Take it once a month to see how all of your work is progressing.

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      39 min
    • Sensory Journeys and Freedom in Play - with Neil Carr - The Pudding #19
      Nov 5 2025

      Find full show notes and links at: https://gocamp.pro/the-pudding/sensory-journeys-freedom-in-play

      Exploring Inclusivity in Outdoor Leisure with Neil Carr

      In this episode of The Pudding, Dr. Mandi Baker and Travis Allison discuss with Prof. Neil Carr, from the Dept of Tourism at the University of Otago (New Zealand), the role of inclusivity in outdoor leisure. They explore Neil's journey into academia, his research on tourism and leisure, and the evolution of outdoor leisure studies. Key highlights include the importance of sensory engagement in leisure, traditional structures of camps, and the need to allow children freedom and control in their play. They discuss Mandi and Neil’s latest book collaboration on inclusion and equity in outdoor leisure that features a diverse range of voices and perspectives.

      • 00:24 Meet the Hosts and Neil’s Journey in Academia
      • 04:25 Philosophical Differences of Tourism vs. Leisure
      • 12:03 Neil’s Inspiration for Sensory Experiences in Leisure
      • 14:41 Integrating All Senses for an Inclusive Experience
      • 19:54 Who is Camp Really For?
      • 26:22 The Transformative Power of Novelty
      • 32:01 Inclusion and Equity in Outdoor Leisure
      • 36:16 Beyond Human Beings: Interactions with Nature
      • 40:05 Structure vs. Play in Shaping Society of Tomorrow
      • 45:04 Episode Wrap-Up

      Your Hosts

      • Dr. Mandi Baker, Researcher - Summer Camp, Outdoor Recreation, Sociology and Hospitality/Tourism - getlamped@gmail.com
      • Travis Allison, Summer Camp Consultant - Go Camp Pro - travis@gocamp.pro
      • Neil Carr - Professor, Department of Tourism, University of Otago - neil.carr@otago.ac.nz

      Additional Links of Interest

      • Neil Carr on Google Scholar
      • Inclusion and Equity in Outdoor Leisure: Whose Body Belongs?
      Thanks to our sponsors!

      The American Camp Association - Illinois

      The American Camp Association of Illinois is made up of nearly 289,000 members, volunteers, campers, families, and professionals who believe in the power of camp. We work to disrupt the effects of poverty by providing fundamental services for children and families, and learning opportunities for camp professionals. Learn more about ACA Illinois by visiting acail.org.

      Camptivities

      You know the impact you want camp to make in a child’s life. But figuring out the day-to-day details can be overwhelming. Let Camptivities help you make that impact by streamlining the creation of your camp activity schedules. Schedule a demo at camptivities.com.

      Free Resilient Camp Blueprint Diagnostic: https://camp.mba/travis

      Take it once a month to see how all of your work is progressing.

      Free Resilient Camp Blueprint Diagnostic: https://camp.mba/travis

      Take it once a month to see how all of your work is progressing.

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      48 min
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