Épisodes

  • Ep. 6: The Right Pressure Makes You, The Wrong Pressure Cooks You

    Ep. 6: The Right Pressure Makes You, The Wrong Pressure Cooks You
    Jul 10 2026
    "Pressure either cooks you or it makes you."
    In Episode 6 of the POP Podcast, Mike and Charles reframe pressure entirely. It's not the enemy, life includes pressure no matter where you are, and the right amount in the right place is exactly what God uses to make you. The goal isn't to escape pressure. It's to sort it, release the wrong kind, and let the right kind do its work.

    In this episode:
    - Why pressure is relative, and why you have to stop comparing yours
    - The difference between avoiding pressure and appropriate pressure (and why you need it)
    - Internal pressure: the made-up identity crisis nobody can see
    - External pressure, the holidays, and the conversations nobody wants to have
    - The pressure to perform vs. the pressure to produce, and why a little is a gift
    - Manufactured pressure, the deadlines you made up that are frying you
    - Recognize it, release it: why pressure only hurts when it builds up
    - "What God has for you will be there if you're healthy enough to hold it"

    If you're carrying pressure you can't name, running on fumes, or feeling crushed even when things look fine, this one will help you put pressure back in its right place.

    This conversation builds on Episode 5 (Rest). If you haven't heard it, start there.

    We believe in Progression Over Perfection. Through theology, therapy, and community, God can turn trauma into triumph.

    New episodes every Friday.


    Follow the show: Instagram: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast TikTok: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast YouTube: youtube.com/@poppodcast
    Follow the hosts: Mike: @iammiketodd Charles: @charlesmetcalf
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    1 h et 12 min
  • Ep. 5: You're Sleeping But You're Not Resting

    Ep. 5: You're Sleeping But You're Not Resting
    Jul 3 2026
    "Some people are sleeping that still aren't resting."
    In Episode 5 of the POP Podcast, Mike and Charles get hot, humble, open, and transparent about the most counter-cultural thing they do, rest. In a culture that glorifies the grind, they make the case that rest isn't laziness. It's a gift, a rhythm, and a commandment.

    In this episode:
    - Why sleep is part of rest, but not the whole thing
    - The "engine of insecurity" that drives so many of us, and what it costs
    - Why you can be wildly successful and have completely the wrong motive
    - Why the Sabbath is the commandment nobody talks about
    - How God modeled rest in creation (we were made to work FROM rest, not FOR it)
    - The sabbatical that started Relationship Goals, and the POP friendship
    - What rest actually looks like, practically, week to week
    - "You do all the work for the people, but the people just want you"

    If you're exhausted, running on coffee and adrenaline, successful but unable to enjoy it, this one's for you.

    We believe in Progression Over Perfection. Through theology, therapy, and community, God can turn trauma into triumph.

    New episodes every Friday.


    Follow the show: Instagram: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast TikTok: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast YouTube: youtube.com/@poppodcast
    Follow the hosts: Mike: @iammiketodd Charles: @charlesmetcalf
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    1 h et 10 min
  • Ep. 4: Everybody Wants Friends For The Highlight, Not The Fight

    Ep. 4: Everybody Wants Friends For The Highlight, Not The Fight
    Jun 26 2026
    "Everybody wants friends for the highlight. It's a different thing to have a friend for the fight."
    In Episode 4 of the POP Podcast, Mike and Charles continue their conversation on community, this time about the friends who show up when it's inconvenient, when you're losing, and when there's nothing to gain.

    In this episode:
    - Why most people go to the valley alone, and why that's dangerous
    - The caterpillar and the ant (why some friendships can't survive your transformation)
    - Why your marriage becomes your primary relationship
    - The difference between friends for the highlight and friends for the fight
    - The 1 AM story: when Charles was at his lowest and his friends showed up
    - Why a real friend doesn't try to fix it, they bring presence, truth, and prayer
    - Leading vulnerably when everyone depends on you
    - "We are firemen", why you don't run from the fire, you run into it

    This episode is Part 2 of our conversation on community. If you haven't heard Episode 3 yet, start there.

    We believe in Progression Over Perfection. Through theology, therapy, and community, God can turn trauma into triumph.

    New episodes every Friday.


    Follow the show: Instagram: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast TikTok: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast YouTube: youtube.com/@poppodcast
    Follow the hosts: Mike: @iammiketodd Charles: @charlesmetcalf
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    1 h et 7 min
  • Ep. 3: Most of Your Friends Don't Actually Know You

    Ep. 3: Most of Your Friends Don't Actually Know You
    Jun 19 2026
    The right voices don't shrink you. They sharpen you.
    In Episode 3 of the POP Podcast, Mike and Charles unpack the relationships that actually shape who you become, and the social media facades that are stealing your real ones.

    In this episode:
    • Why most of the people you call "friends" don't actually know you
    • How social media trained you to be transactional, not relational
    • How Mike and Charles really met (and the Golden State Warriors moment)
    • The Tim Ross dining room table moment
    • Why Natalie is not Mike's soulmate (and the difference between a soulmate and a soul match)
    • Honesty vs. transparency, and why one of them will heal you
    • Why "submission" isn't a scary word
    • The James 5:16 healing that doesn't come from the pulpit
    • Why every person needs a Paul, a Barnabas, and a Timothy
    If you've been carrying everything alone, leading lonely, building lonely, healing lonely, this episode is for you.

    We believe in Progression Over Perfection. Through theology, therapy, and community, God can turn trauma into triumph.

    New episodes every Friday.

    Follow the show: Instagram: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast TikTok: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast YouTube: youtube.com/@poppodcast
    Follow the hosts: Mike: @iammiketodd Charles: @charlesmetcalf
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    1 h et 1 min
  • Ep. 2: Comfort Is Killing Your Calling

    Ep. 2: Comfort Is Killing Your Calling
    Jun 12 2026
    You prayed for clarity, but what you needed was courage.
    In Episode 2 of the POP Podcast, Mike and Charles sit down to talk about the showdown every leader eventually faces: when comfort and calling collide.

    In this episode:
    • Why discomfort is the tool God uses to develop you
    • The "manufactured pressure" you create that isn't actually your calling
    • Mike's drum pillow story
    • The Stephen Furtick call and the Marked merchandise disaster
    • The Land Rover confession
    • Why Charles walked away from his own church plant
    • Crying in the DSW shoe section
    • What it actually means to be disciplined, and how it makes you a disciple
    • The difference between needing clarity and needing courage
    Mentioned in this episode: Mike's sermon "Cuffed to Comfort."
    We believe in Progression Over Perfection. Through theology, therapy, and community, God can turn trauma into triumph.
    New episodes every Friday.
    Follow the show: Instagram: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast TikTok: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast YouTube: youtube.com/@poppodcast
    Follow the hosts: Mike: @iammiketodd Charles: @charlesmetcalf
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    1 h et 10 min
  • Ep. 1: Perfection Is Expensive, Progression Is Free

    Ep. 1: Perfection Is Expensive, Progression Is Free
    Jun 5 2026
    The picture of perfect we had is because people never showed us their progress.
    Welcome to Episode 1 of the POP Podcast, the inaugural conversation between Mike and Charles, 3 years in the making. In this opener, they unpack why perfectionism is the silent killer of your purpose, and why the path forward is progression, not performance.

    In this episode:
    • Why perfection is expensive but progression is free
    • The labels you accept that become your limits
    • How comparison silently kills your progression
    • The Bella science test story
    • What your spouse would say you need to progress in
    • The Theology + Therapy + Community framework that anchors this whole season
    • Why your obedience to God matters more than anyone's opinion
    If you've been carrying the weight of trying to be perfect, this is your permission to progress. We believe in Progression Over Perfection. Through theology, therapy, and community, God can turn trauma into triumph. New episodes every Friday.

    Follow the show:
    Instagram: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast
    TikTok: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast
    YouTube: youtube.com/@poppodcast
    Follow the hosts: Mike: @iammiketodd Charles: @charlesmetcalf
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    1 h et 6 min