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 Re-Imagining the Empty NestThe Open Nesters 2021 Hygiène et vie saine Parentalité Relations Sciences sociales
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    • Radical Compassion (Season 6 | Episode 223)

      Radical Compassion (Season 6 | Episode 223)
      Jan 29 2026
      Radical Compassion (Season 6 | Episode 223) with Ukumbwa Sauti Trading “Empty” for “Open”: The Courage to Speak Up Welcome back to the Open Nesters podcast, where we are flipping the script on aging and trading an “empty” nest for a life wide open. This month, we have been diving deep into the theme of courage, and I can’t think of a more vital conversation than the one I recently had with Ukumbwa Sauti. Ukumbwa is a consultant, educator, and a leader in men’s work who is helping us look at the “third act” of our lives through a lens of awareness and radical compassion. The “genesis moment” for Ukumbwa’s lifelong mission happened decades ago when he realized that nearly every woman he knew had experienced some form of sexual assault or harassment. This shocking realization led him to dedicate his life to education and media literacy, focusing on how we define “normal” behavior. In our interview, he shared a powerful story from his days teaching higher education where a simple question about consent was met with a long, chilling silence. It’s a stark reminder that we are still pushing a boulder uphill when it comes to understanding boundaries. One of the most profound concepts Ukumbwa introduced is “radical compassion”—the ability to respect the experiences of people we don’t even know. For men in the open nesting stage, this means moving beyond the excuse of “I didn’t know”. It’s about being willing to hold up a mirror to our own behaviors and the systems of patriarchy that have affected us all. As Ukumbwa noted, many women our age have reached a breaking point because their partners refused to grow and evolve alongside them. This lack of growth is a major contributor to the rising rates of “grey divorce”. It is a staggering reality that 40% of divorces now occur among those over 50, with women initiating two-thirds of these splits. Women are often simply “fed up” with partners who remain stagnant or dismissive of their need for equality and respect. Embracing open nesting means being brave enough to address these intimacy gaps and do the internal, spiritual, and emotional work required to sustain a healthy partnership. For the men listening, Ukumbwa’s message is clear: learn to listen. Whether it’s through joining a men’s group, reading works by authors like bell hooks, or simply engaging in open, heart-centered conversations with friends, the tools for growth are available. He shared a beautiful story of his own men’s group providing him with caretaking and “manicures in bed” during a hospital stay, proving that masculinity can include tenderness and mutual support. As we move into February and focus on love and relationships, I challenge you to consider your own legacy. What kind of role model are you for your adult children and grandchildren? True courage is not just about big adventures; it’s about the willingness to be conscious, to admit when we are wrong, and to speak up for equality. Let’s keep opening doors to better relationships and endless possibilities Ukumbwa Sauti Educator, Presenter, Facilitator – Cultural Media Studies; Counselor,initiated Dagara Elder Greetings! I’ve been involved in a dynamic and deepening process born out of many aspects of my professional, creative and spiritual work over many years. My company, moja mediaworks llc, has been developing the World Ancestor Concert, a 3-day televised healing concert celebrating the world’s Ancestors and traditions with a rich mix of conscious and progressive music, traditional music, activists, organizations and more. We are currently looking for sponsors and strategic partnerships to stage our main annual concert events and ongoing smaller, localized Village Concerts. We will also be developing workshops and events for colleges and their surrounding communities. Obrigada! Merci! Jerejef! Danke! Gracias! Asante! Thank you! About Tessa Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters. Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster. Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives. Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question: What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE… Adventure Freedom of Expression Exploration and Fun Body Movement New circles of friends Deep love relationships
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      39 min
    • Embracing the “Open” in Open Nesting

      Embracing the “Open” in Open Nesting
      Jan 22 2026
      Embracing the “Open” in Open Nesting (Season 6 | Episode 222) with Joy Rose (Season 6 | Episode 222) This week on the Open Nesters podcast, my co-host Amir and I had the absolute pleasure of revisiting a truly boundary-breaking conversation with the incredible Joy Rose. As an artist, activist, and the visionary founder of the Museum of Motherhood, Joy is a master at helping us deconstruct the heavy labels we carry and reclaim the narrative of our own lives. If you are currently navigating your own “Act Three,” this discussion is essential listening for finding your vitality and flipping the script on aging. We dove deep into the complex world of motherhood —to explore how this role often consumes our identity for decades. Joy shares the raw, honest truth about the “redundancy” many of us feel when our children grow older. It can be an almost impossible shift to move from the physical and emotional all-consumption of active parenting to a life where that role is no longer necessary in the same way. Joy’s personal journey is a masterclass in finding the “self” at the center of the roles projected onto us. As her own four children have grown into their late twenties and thirties, she has had to learn the difficult art of adjustment, using tools like cultivating her own passions and finding serenity through spiritual programs like Al-Anon. One of the most striking parts of our talk was Joy’s take on modern relationships and her rejection of traditional marriage. She spoke beautifully about seeking “great love”—the kind of love that pushes you out of your comfort zone and requires you to show up with integrity and consciousness. It was so illuminating to hear how she and her partner, despite being on opposite ends of the political spectrum, find deep connection through simple kindness and shared values. For those of you looking to explore these themes further, Joy is continuing her work by launching online classes through the Museum of Motherhood website. She encourages everyone, especially “women of a certain age,” to be brave, be expansive, and stop repeating patterns that no longer serve them. Whether it’s through art, study, or simply trying to live on your own, there are so many ways to “show up” for yourself in this new stage of life. We are so grateful to Joy for her wisdom and for helping us “unlabel” the judgments we often place on ourselves and others. As we move forward, I hope you’ll join us in witnessing the growth of our families and ourselves with open hearts and fewer expectations. About Martha JOY Rose Martha JOY Rose, Founder, Executive Director, BFA, MALS with a Master’s in Mother Studies. She is an award-winning artist and activist. Her pursuits have included academia, large-scale community gatherings, and she is the former lead singer of the band Housewives on Prozac. Joy is the NOW-NYC recipient of the Susan B. Anthony Award, her Mamapalooza Festival Series has been recognized as “Best in Girl-Power Events” and her music has appeared on the Billboard Top 100 Dance Charts, MTV and Good Morning America. She founded the Museum of Motherhood in 2003. In 2019, she brought MoM to St. Petersburg. Joy received her Masters in Mother Studies at CUNY, The Graduate Center in New York City and then taught for five years at Manhattan College. Her area of expertise includes introduction to the concept of Mother Studies. From pregnancy to ‘labor’ the requirements of women, physically, emotionally and spiritually are challenged and stretched, and therefore so are men’s. She examines changing perceptions of mothers through herstory. Her focus is largely centered in North America. Joy has contributed to numerous scholarly collections including The Encyclopedia of Motherhood, the Music of Motherhood (2018), and The Routledge Companion to Motherhood (2020) to name a few. She is an artist recipient of a grant from St Pete Arts Alliance & in 2023, she was certified with the Adult Mental Health First Aid, USA. About Tessa Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters. Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster. Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives. Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question: What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE… Adventure Freedom of ...
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      37 min
    • Aging | A Practice of Possibility (S6 | E221)

      Aging | A Practice of Possibility (S6 | E221)
      Jan 15 2026
      Aging | A Practice of Possibility (Season 6 | Episode 221) with Laura and Martha (Season 6 | Episode 221) [TESSA] In our latest episode of the Open Nesters Podcast, I had the profound pleasure of sitting down with a truly inspiring mother-daughter team, Martha and Laura. At 85 and 58 respectively, they joined me to flip the script on what it means to grow older. Instead of viewing aging through a lens of desperation or limitation, they shared how they have cultivated “possibility” as a daily practice rather than a distant fantasy. This conversation reminded me that being an “Open Nester” isn’t just about life after the kids leave; it’s about keeping our hearts and minds wide open to new adventures, regardless of the number on the calendar. One of the most striking takeaways from Martha was her “pod” concept for social wellness. She maintains distinct groups—or pods—for her various interests, ranging from watercolor painting and Torah study to tennis and book clubs. These aren’t just hobbies; they are vital lifelines that prevent the isolation so often associated with aging. Martha’s vibrancy at 85 is a testament to the fact that we must continuously invest in our social circles. As my co-host Amir noted, these relationships are essential to our survival and longevity, yet they require a conscious commitment to cultivate as our lives evolve. We also explored the concept of “resilient aging,” which requires an honest look at our changing physical rhythms. Martha and her husband, Bert, who is nearly 90, haven’t stopped doing what they love, like fishing; they have simply adapted. They’ve found guides who understand their “frailties” and allow them to start later or end earlier. This radical honesty—acknowledging that “getting old ain’t for sissies”—allows them to remain active participants in their own lives. By viewing the body not as an enemy but as a partner that requires different care, they model a graceful way to let go of old habits while welcoming new experiences. The conversation took a deeply courageous turn as we discussed the importance of transparency regarding death and dying. Laura and Martha speak comfortably about these “inevitable possibilities,” ensuring that family values—rather than fear—drive their future decisions. Laura shared her commitment to ensuring that her relationship with her brother remains “healthy and whole” after their parents are gone, which requires having these tough conversations now. This level of integrity and proactive communication is what truly defines a legacy. It’s about making the path smoother for those we love by honoring our values above our own immediate comfort. As we wrapped up, I was left reflecting on how much we can learn when we witness aging with compassion rather than judgment. Whether it is Martha learning from Laura’s modern communication style or Laura gaining a “glimpse” into her own future through her mother’s journey, the intergenerational bond is a powerful tool for growth. Aging is a process, not a destination, and it is happening every single day. I invite you to join our community on Instagram or visit our website to share how you are moving into your open nest with curiosity and courage. Until next time, remember to keep your life wide open to endless possibility. About Tessa Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters. Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster. Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives. Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question: What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE… Adventure Freedom of Expression Exploration and Fun Body Movement New circles of friends Deep love relationships
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      53 min
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