What if hitting rock bottom isn’t the end, but the turning point? In part three of the Heart of the Hero series, Sanna and Scott explore the middle stage of the journey of what Joseph Campbell calls the “innermost cave.” This stage, often marked by despair, setbacks, or rock bottom moments, is also where the deepest growth and transformation take place.

Using stories from their own lives, including Scott’s career-ending football injury and Sanna’s perfectionist struggles, they show how challenges can become teachers, opportunities, and springboards into resilience. This conversation helps listeners reframe hardship not as the end, but as the turning point toward becoming bigger than the challenge itself.

What you will learn:

• The meaning of the “innermost cave” and why it is both the hardest and most beautiful stage of the Hero’s Journey.
• How rock bottom moments can be powerful turning points for personal transformation.
• The choice between staying in victimhood or cracking open to a bigger, more resilient self.
• Practical ways to stay calm and centered when life feels overwhelming.
• Why acceptance and patience often lead to breakthroughs that overthinking cannot.
• The importance of shifting beliefs to change how you feel and reclaim your power.
• Four key lessons from Sanna’s “cave work.”
• How hardship can build resilience and confidence over time.
• Why surrounding yourself with supportive people makes the journey more rewarding.

Resources for Sanna Calvert:

SannaCalvert.com

Foundation for Family and Community Healing

Resources for Scott Frank:

LinkedIn

Peach Harmony and Joy Alliance

What if the challenges you’re facing right now are actually an invitation to step into the most alive, purposeful version of yourself? In part two of the Heart of the Hero series, Sanna and Scott explore the first stage of the hero’s journey answering the call to adventure and what happens when we ignore it. Through personal stories, Joseph Campbell’s framework, and the interplay between ego and soul, they reveal how following your unique calling can bring both purpose and joy. They share “breadcrumbs” to help you recognize your calling, the dangers of psychological crucifixion when you avoid it, and the magic that happens when ego and soul work together.

What you will learn:

• The three stages of Joseph Campbell’s hero’s journey and how the departure stage sets the tone for transformation.
• Why Campbell believed humans seek to feel fully alive, not just to find meaning, and why Sanna and Scott believe you need both.
• How the ego and the soul function as polar opposites, and why both are essential for living your true greatness.
• Practical ways to get your ego and soul working together to create both drive and deeper wisdom.
• How over relying on one form of intelligence limits growth, and why tapping into multiple intelligences expands possibilities.
• The breadcrumbs that point toward your calling, including compliments, invitations, and activities that put you in flow.
• Why your calling can be hard to see, especially when it’s tied to skills that feel effortless to you.
• How avoiding your call can lead to psychological crucifixion and life events that force you to stop and reassess.
• The story of the princess and the frog as a metaphor for refusing your invitation to growth and magic.
• Why improving by just 1 percent each year can build a powerful connection to your purpose over time.
• Real life examples of how work challenges test whether you respond from ego or soul.
• How to accept your call to adventure, embrace discomfort, and step into a bigger version of yourself.

Resources for Sanna Calvert:

SannaCalvert.com

Foundation for Family and Community Healing

Resources for Scott Frank:

LinkedIn

Peach Harmony and Joy Alliance

What if your lowest moment wasn’t the end but the beginning of something greater? In this episode, Sanna and Scott explore how times of crisis can be powerful catalysts for personal transformation. Drawing from Joseph Campbell’s Hero’s Journey framework, they introduce a powerful lens through which we can understand our own rock bottom moments, not as dead ends, but as the beginning of something meaningful. Both hosts share deeply personal stories of pain and growth to highlight how challenges often contain hidden gifts. Whether you're navigating emotional, relational, or societal upheaval, this episode reminds you that your journey has purpose, and the answers you seek may be found within.

What you will learn:

• What the Hero’s Journey is and how Joseph Campbell’s framework applies to both individual and collective challenges.
• Why crisis can be a turning point that awakens us to our true path and purpose.
• How Sanna’s story of career disillusionment led her to reevaluate her beliefs and embrace a more authentic life.
• How Scott’s tragic loss of his father in college became a spiritual catalyst for deeper meaning, resilience, and growth.
• The stages of the Hero’s Journey including the “ordinary world,” “call to adventure,” “innermost cave,” and “return with the gift.”
• Why rock bottom moments are often transformational and how they crack open the ego to reveal new possibilities.
• The importance of a growth mindset, viewing failure as a learning opportunity rather than defeat.
• Why no hero succeeds alone and how social resilience and asking for help play a vital role.
• Practical tips for navigating crisis, such as mindfulness, being present, and staying curious.
• How to ‘follow your bliss’ by tuning into what energizes you, excites you, or brings you joy.
• How to use your unique gifts to live a more joyful, purpose-driven life.
• The difference between external crisis and internal transformation and why the most important changes happen within.
• Why challenges may help you remember lost wisdom passed down from previous generations.
• A reminder that life is a journey, not a series of milestones, and that joy is found in presence, not perfection.

Resources for Sanna Calvert:

SannaCalvert.com

Foundation for Family and Community Healing

Resources for Scott Frank:

LinkedIn

Peach Harmony and Joy Alliance