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SGA MVP Talk, 65-Game Rule Debate, Best Team in the NBA, and Exposed: OKC Depth, Dort Controversy + Roman on Extracted

In Season 3, Episode 19 of the Swishlist Podcast, the hosts debate the NBA MVP race under the 65-game rule, with Rhoman putting SGA first, Cade Cunningham second, and Jalen Brown third while questioning whether 65 games is the right cutoff. They argue who the best team is right now—OKC and Detroit vs. a surging Spurs team led by Wemby—and discuss how strength of schedule could shift seeding for teams like Denver, Boston, OKC, and Cleveland. They break down Lu Dort’s dirty-play reputation, OKC’s unusually deep roster and how its playoff rotation might shrink, and whether Atlanta’s Kuminga and Jalen Johnson are the league’s most athletic duo. The episode also includes hypothetical skill swaps, legendary one-on-one matchups, a point guard Mount Rushmore debate, KD scoring titles vs. Gobert DPOYs, shoutouts to Antawn Jamison, and a Tim Duncan–Wizards wins stat, before closing with Rhoman’s updates and behind-the-scenes talk from Fox’s Extracted Season 2.

00:00 Welcome and Agenda
00:41 MVP Race and 65 Game Rule
01:12 MVP Ladder Picks
02:44 Asterisks and Era Comparisons
04:59 Best Team Right Now
05:33 OKC vs Spurs Debate
07:30 Strength of Schedule Watch
09:35 Playoff Seeding Chaos
11:18 Is Lu Dort Dirty
14:03 OKC Playoff Rotation Cuts
17:10 Depth Kings OKC Detroit Spurs
18:52 Hawks Athletic Duo Talk
21:30 Ayton vs Capela and Skill Games
30:40 Duncan Over Giannis
31:09 Shaq Versus Jokic
32:16 Murray Clutch Takeover
33:28 Playoff Murray Or Lakers
34:32 Point Guard Mount Rushmore
35:33 Isiah Locks Third Spot
36:14 Stockton Versus Kidd Debate
38:18 KD Scoring Titles Win
39:15 Gobert Playoff Exposed
40:50 Antawn Jamison Forgotten Bucket
42:42 Duncan Wins Versus Wizards
44:08 Maxey And Three Point Records

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Season 3, Episode 18 of the Swishlist Podcast focuses on Adam Silver’s proposed anti-tanking draft reforms, including draft pick protection limits, freezing lottery odds at the trade deadline, restricting repeated top-four picks, using two-year records, expanding the lottery to play-in teams, and flattening odds. The hosts debate which ideas help or hurt, then propose alternatives: equalized odds for the bottom 10 teams, and a post-elimination “draft race” where eliminated teams reset to 0–0 and compete for the No. 1 pick based on record and point differential (noting a similar model in the Professional Women’s Hockey League).

They discuss whether they’d start a franchise with Anthony Edwards or Cade Cunningham, the Pistons repeatedly dominating the Knicks and what it means for a potential playoff matchup, and the Cavaliers going 5–1 since acquiring James Harden, highlighting Jarrett Allen’s production with Harden’s pick-and-roll. Player shout-outs include rookie Kon nearing 50/40/90 while leading the league in threes made, Payton Pritchard’s scoring surge and efficiency, and Jared McCain’s impact for OKC after being traded from Philadelphia.

The episode also covers prime one-on-one matchups, skill comparisons (e.g., Ray Allen vs. Klay Thompson), hypothetical skill-set swaps (Kyrie with CP3’s vision; Giannis with KD’s jumper vs. KD with Giannis’ downhill power), whether it’s worse to be a non-shooter or a defensive liability, and choosing three coaches to lead a new expansion team (Mark Daigneault, Erik Spoelstra, Rick Carlisle). They debate why the triangle offense faded, critique Luka Dončić’s complaints to referees and defensive effort, and discuss why Victor Wembanyama’s highlights can feel less surprising due to his size. The hosts close by mentioning a House of Highlights feature, upcoming opportunities on a new platform, and their NBA recap videos on YouTube.

00:00 Welcome Back: Draft Rule Changes, Ant vs Cade & More on Deck
00:50 Adam Silver’s Anti-Tanking Proposal: The New Draft/Lottery Rules
01:38 What Works vs What’s “Lame”: Debating the Policy (Trust the Process?)
04:29 Our Fixes: Flattened Odds + Post-Elimination ‘Play for the #1 Pick’ Race
07:11 Franchise Cornerstone Debate: Anthony Edwards vs Cade Cunningham
10:20 Pistons vs Knicks: Is This the NBA’s Next Great Rivalry?
12:57 Cavs Surge with Harden: Chemistry, Seeding & Jarrett Allen’s Boost
14:52 Player Shoutouts: Rookie Sniper ‘Khan’ + Payton Pritchard’s Tear
18:48 Jared McCain in OKC + The Devin Booker ‘Vampire’ Age Conversation
22:58 Fun Segment: Prime 1v1 Matchups, Best Skills & Swapping Kyrie/CP3 Traits
27:42 Kyrie vs CP3: Who makes the bigger impact?
27:52 Skill-Set Swap Debate: Giannis’ jumper vs KD’s downhill power
29:01 Worst shooter or worst defender? The mid-2000s context
30:10 Why being a defensive ‘cone’ is more brutal than missing shots
31:55 Building an expansion team: Top 3 NBA coaches to start a franchise
32:41 Ranking the picks: Daigneault #1, Spo #2, Carlisle #3 (and why)
35:34 Coaching hot takes: Mazzulla mentions, and the Steve Kerr critique
36:42 Why the Triangle Offense died (and what replaced it)
41:47 Luka fatigue: complaining to refs, lazy defense, and losing habits
46:51 Wembanyama doesn’t impress anymore… plus playoff dreams & pod wrap-up

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Season 3 continues with a loaded episode covering everything from All-Star Weekend to the future face of the NBA.

On this episode of the Swishlist Podcast, we reflect on All-Star Weekend and dive into the biggest question in basketball right now:

Who is the face of the league?

Is it Victor Wembanyama setting the tone with competitiveness and presence, or Anthony Edwards bringing the charisma, energy, and takeover moments?

We discuss:

Whether the All-Star Game is actually becoming competitive again

If East vs West needs to return permanently

Why the Dunk Contest has fallen off

The 1v1 tournament idea that could save All-Star Weekend

Then we shift into real basketball conversations:

The 40/20 Rule check-in — which teams are real contenders right now?

The Kevin Durant burner account rumors, leaked texts, and the “pure hooper” legacy debate surrounding Kevin Durant

Expansion talk involving Las Vegas and Seattle, and how Adam Silver may respond to tanking concerns

We also break down the physicality conversation in today’s NBA:

Fake tough guys vs real consequences

Whether the league needs Bad Boys energy again

Injuries, officiating, and how much edge the NBA should allow

Plus:

Weekly LeBron James retirement timeline discussion
Old head narratives, including Ron Harper Sr. comments
Biggest shocks at Game 55
Celtics surviving
Rockets and Lakers discourse
Detroit’s young core and playoff chaos potential
Ranking skills across eras and closing thoughts

If you enjoy real NBA debates, legacy discussions, and competitive basketball talk, this episode is for you.

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#NBAExpansion
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#NBATwitter
#NBARivalries
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