She’s not an Old Gay quite yet, but we’re happy to be in her Choligarchy.

This week we're joined by Margaret Cho, comedian, actor, activist, musician, and all-around icon for one of our favorite conversations of the season.

Margaret has built a career saying the things the rest of us are only thinking. Together, we dive into comedy, activism, chosen family, queer history, aging, sex, and yes... plenty of sex! Along the way, she shares about growing up above her parents' gay bookstore in 1970s San Francisco, reflects on the AIDS crisis, Harvey Milk, and the power of speaking honestly, and somehow gets the four of us talking about pubes, lesbian friendships, and which of us have hooked up.

We laughed so hard during this conversation we're honestly surprised the microphones survived. Because if you're going to spend an hour with Margaret Cho... you don’t steer the conversation. You just hang on!

Follow Margaret Cho on Instagram @margaret_cho and catch Margaret on tour now with her new stand-up comedy show "Choligarchy" - visit www.margaretcho.com to learn more.

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And what about the men who don’t fit neatly into the boxes we create?

Beaming in from iHeart Studios in New York is documentary filmmaker Eric Leven, who has spent the last several years interviewing married men who secretly have sex with other men. Naturally, we had a few questions…

Join us as we explore the complexity of bisexuality, masculinity, secrecy, male intimacy, and the blurred lines between identity and behavior. Along the way, we share a few of our own stories about meeting married men over the decades.

From bear chasers and bathhouses to steam rooms, small towns, and the Kinsey Scale, this conversation ventures into some territory that is rarely discussed. Do labels help or hurt? What’s the cost of living honestly? And what about the women caught in the middle of it all?

Follow Eric Leven on Instagram @eleven__11

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What did we want to be when we grew up?

Before the four of us were The Old Gays, we were singers, city planners, grant writers, shop owners…and even a very unsuccessful farmer.

So this week, we’re dishing about the jobs, passions, hobbies, and creative pursuits that shaped our lives, and the unexpected detours along the way. You’ll hear from each of us about the things that lit us up: from performing around the world and meeting the Pope, to designing cities, making human sculptures, and surviving more than one major career pivot.

And along the way, we’ll reflect on the work we loved, the dreams that changed, and why it’s never too late to reinvent yourself.

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