This episode was originally published in May 2011. In a small town near Daytona Beach, Florida is a park (Holly Hill) where NA and AA meetings have been meeting for over 17 years. Recently a group of local concerned citizens near the park has had their lives threatened numerous times by numerous AA/NA members.

Police were called, City Council meetings were held, neighbors signed petitions, newspapers reporters wrote stories and NA World Services/AA World Services were called to address this threatening behavior. What role does each World service hold with regards to responsibility of members and meetings. Why do these members feel entitled to take this park hostage as "theirs"?

A controversial look at a serious problem dealing with both sober/clean addicts & alcoholics. Where is their spiritual practice? Are they paying rent for the pavilion like the local residents do?

Harriet will join us to share what she is doing to raise awareness and to protect minors.

This episode was originally published in March 2012.

Are you a man/woman/teen who has lost his/her legs and will never grow new ones. (quote from Big Book of AA)

Who was Bill W and what did he know about a teenager who is drinking too much. Nothing! Parents, young people who are over doing in the drink and drug department need to listen to this show.

Would you listen to a Doctor who was reading a manual from 1936? I doubt it, yet this is what AA, NA and 95% of all treatment and rehabs preach. I say ...STOP THE MADNESS!!!

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