What does it really take to speak up when something doesn’t feel right, especially in systems that quietly reward compliance and silence?

In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Dr. Sunita Sah, award-winning Cornell professor, organizational psychologist, and one of the world’s leading researchers on authority, compliance, and defiance. Dr Sah’s work challenges the idea that defiance is disruptive or extreme, reframing it instead as a grounded act of integrity and courage.

We explore why good people so often go along with things they don’t agree with, how subtle psychological forces like Insinuation Anxiety shape our behavior, and why compliance is not a personal failing but a deeply human response to pressure. Dr Sah shares insights from her research, her background in medicine and systems leadership, and the practical frameworks she’s developed to help people move from inner knowing to ethical action.

This is a rich, illuminating conversation for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who sense that something essential is lost when we stay silent, and who want to reclaim their agency without becoming combative, burned out, or disconnected from their values.

About Dr. Sunita Sah

Dr. Sunita Sah is an award-winning, tenured professor at Cornell University and a leading expert in organizational psychology. A trained physician who practiced medicine in the UK, she has also worked as a management consultant and served as a Commissioner on the National Commission on Forensic Science. Sunita is a sought-after international speaker and advisor to government agencies, and her research has been widely published in leading academic journals and media, including The New York Times, Harvard Business Review, and Scientific American. She is the author of the bestselling book Defy: The Power of No in a World That Demands Yes, now available in paperback from February 24th.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

1. Dr. Sah’s latest book Defy paperback launches on Feb 24th 2026 → https://www.sunitasah.com/defy
2. Dr. Sah's website ****→ https://www.sunitasah.com/
3. Dr. Sah’s TEDx talk → youtube.com/watch?v=d-SWWnl3WLM
4. Dr. Sah on Substack ‘Defiant by Design’ → sunitasah.substack.com
5. Dr. Sah on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/drsunitasah/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if marketing didn’t ask you to perform, but to tell the truth?

In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Eli Natoli, marketing mentor, author, and host of the Marketing Your Truth podcast. Eli’s work offers a refreshingly human approach to business growth, one that honors integrity, clarity, and the lived experience of the person behind the work.

We explore how much traditional marketing quietly pulls people away from themselves, rewarding performance over presence and urgency over resonance. Eli breaks down some of the core assumptions many purpose-driven entrepreneurs have inherited—and offers a simpler, more honest way forward. One rooted in service, trust, and being genuinely understood rather than constantly visible.

This is a grounded, insightful conversation for coaches, creatives, and changemakers who care deeply about their work but resist marketing as it’s usually taught, and who sense that growth can happen without hustle when strategy honors the human on both sides of the exchange.

About Eli Natoli

Eli Natoli is a marketing mentor, author, and host of the Marketing Your Truth podcast. Through her Service First Framework, she helps purpose-driven experts articulate their true voice, simplify how they share their work, and invite clients with integrity, so growth emerges from honesty rather than performance.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

1. Eli’s website ****→ https://elinatoli.com
2. Eli’s book Service First→ https://www.elinatoli.com/elevate
3. Eli on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/elinatoli/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What does it mean to choose depth in a world shaped by speed, certainty, and surface-level answers?

In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Alastair Kidd; coach, facilitator, and self-described “sherpa” for those navigating complexity and meaning in uncertain times. Alastair’s work is grounded in relationship rather than technique, and in conversation as a generative, healing act rather than a means to an outcome.

We explore what it looks like to refuse mediocrity without becoming dogmatic or grandiose through presence, inner work, and a willingness to stay with what matters. Drawing on adult development and systemic constellations, Alastair reflects on reconnecting soul and system across family, organizations, community, and the wider world.

This is a thoughtful, grounded conversation for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who sense the old ways are no longer enough and who feel called to meet this moment with depth, courage, and humanity.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

1. Alastair’s website ****→ www.alastairkidd.com
2. Alastair’s Podcast → “No Gurus In This Temple” with Laura Beckingham on all the usual platforms
3. Alastair on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/alastairkidd/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com