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You've seen the headlines about the massive amounts of money that is being poured into AI data centers. You've heard concerns about how AI data centers are going to be powered -- and who is going to pay for it. But you probably haven't heard much about how all those data centers are going to be secured. After all, it sure would be a shame if you spent billions on a data center only to have it knocked offline by a physical or cyber attack!

Bill Kleyman, the co-founder and CEO of Apolo.us, joins the show to discuss the array of threats data centers are facing and some of the countermeasures that are being deployed. From ransomware and other cyberthreats to drone attacks and physical incursions, Bill outlines all the ways malicious actors can wreak havoc at a data center.

Bill also delves into some of the findings of the latest "State of Data Center" report. (Note: You can DM Bill on LinkedIn for a copy of the survey results.)

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This episode marks the turn of one of the most popular guests we’ve ever had on this show: Larry Lawrence, Vice President of Sustainable Finance Data at Intercontinental Exchange (ICE). When we had him on the show back in 2023, our conversation veered into the various ways data was evolving to drive innovation in sustainable finance.

Well, it’s 2025 and it’s safe to say … things have changed. The very word sustainable is now taboo in some spaces, but Larry and the team at ICE don’t get caught up in all that. They don’t let semantics get in the way of the data.

And when it comes to climate risk data, the financial services industry is listening to what the data says. Asset managers are listening. Investors in mortgage-backed securities are listening. And perhaps most importantly, insurers are listening. Natural disasters like wildfires, floods and hurricanes have reshaped insurance markets. So much so that, as the team at ICE shared in a recent report, climate risks are creating affordability risks that can ultimately lead to default risks.

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ICE Report: How are home insurance costs changing across the United States?

Key highlights

Importance of clarity in climate risk data - (4:27)

Natural disasters and 'on the ground' data - (6:27)

Innovative ways investors are using climate risk data - (13:10)

Impact of climate risk on home insurance costs - (18:38)

Can the insurance affordability problem be solved? - (20:55)

A shift in how we talk about 'sustainable' finance - (27:39)

Real-time markets for climate risk data - (31:06)

Larry's bold predictions for the future of climate risk data - (34:53)

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One of the hottest topics these days -- not just in the energy sector, but across the entire economy -- is the anticipated energy demand from AI data centers. In an effort to separate the signal from the noise, Jeffrey Jakubiak, a partner at Vinson & Elkins, stops by the show to share his insights on the specific load demands AI data centers place on the grid. Perhaps most importantly, Jeffrey also discusses whether or not the US will be able to overcome a smorgasbord of challenges in order to build out enough generation capacity to meet that demand.

One tactic many big tech firms are embracing is colocation. Amid the new 'Bring Your Own Power' (BYOP) environment, Jeffrey and I ponder one possible long-term impact on the grid: Will data centers become power centers?

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