Divan Botha spent seven years as head of marketing at FNB before walking away from his corporate career to open a coffee shop in Linden. That coffee shop became The Whippet - one of Johannesburg's most loved neighbourhood destinations. Then COVID hit, and the business came within five days of liquidation.

In this episode, Divan talks to Jennis and JC about the full arc: the decision to quit banking, building The Whippet from scratch with zero hospitality experience, the Melville branch that didn't survive, the community fundraiser that saved 12 jobs, and launching Smoke in Pretoria. He also opens up about presenting Winslyn on kykNET for nine years - including the nights he was on TV talking about business while crying in his dressing room over the Melville collapse.

And in the second half, a conversation nobody expected: Divan came out publicly at 38. What that looked like, why he waited, what it says about the world his kids are growing up in and why living authentically became more important than living quietly.

Own the fame.

Learn from the f*ck ups.

Keep fixing it.

Parenting today feels completely different.

Screens. Cell phones. YouTube. Uber Eats. School WhatsApp groups. Kids wanting sushi for lunch. And somehow we’re all expected to know exactly what we’re doing.

This week, it’s just Jennis and JC in The Recovery Room, having an honest conversation about modern parenting. As two dads raising boys in Johannesburg, they wear every hat: mom, dad, disciplinarian, safe space, hype man and tooth fairy. Sometimes all before breakfast.

This is the parenting conversation nobody is having from the guy's perspective. And they don't hold back.

This isn’t an expert parenting guide.

It’s two dads trying to figure it out in real time.

Own the fame.
Learn from the f@ck ups.
Keep fixing it.

He booked his first Hulu feature at 21. He's on Netflix, Amazon Prime and eTV. He's 26. And he genuinely doesn't care about any of it.

Not in a dismissive way. In the way that makes you realise you've been thinking about success completely wrong.

Dean Goldblum - actor, philosopher, and Jennis and JC's long-time friend - sits down for one for an unexpected conversation on The Recovery Room. They came in expecting to talk about career. They ended up talking about life.