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Outside The Corporate Box

Outside The Corporate Box

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Outside the Corporate Box is for leaders, builders, and thinkers who knew they were never meant to stay inside someone else’s blueprint.

Hosted by JMan and Jeffrey, this show explores what happens when ambitious professionals step beyond traditional titles, rigid systems, and inherited definitions of success to build a life and business that actually reflects who they are.

These are conversations about reinvention, courage, identity, entrepreneurship, leadership, and the messy, beautiful work of becoming fully yourself.

From executives who walked away from the boardroom…
to creators who turned expertise into influence…
to entrepreneurs who chose freedom over comfort…

This is where modern thought leadership gets honest.

Because sometimes the most powerful move isn’t climbing the ladder.

It’s realizing the ladder was leaning against the wrong wall.


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  • From Fortune 500 to Founder: Why Staying Comfortable Is the Biggest Career Risk

    From Fortune 500 to Founder: Why Staying Comfortable Is the Biggest Career Risk
    Jun 8 2026

    Jackie Phichith spent nearly two decades inside Fortune 500 boardrooms helping McDonald's, Merck, and Pfizer navigate transformation. Then she realized the framework she had been teaching organizations was the same one she needed to apply to herself. What she learned next might change how you think about the career decision you are sitting on right now.

    What You'll Learn:

    1: Why 70% of enterprise transformations fail and the one thing companies keep cutting that guarantees it
    2: The SHINE framework: a 5-step method for moving any team through change without losing people
    3: What the Midnight Rambles of Teddy Roosevelt teach us about effective leadership in 2025
    4: How to do a quarterly business review on yourself when you're a founder of one
    5: Why employee engagement scores are not soft data and what happens when leadership ignores them
    6: The identity shift nobody talks about when you leave a corporate title behind

    About Jackie Phichith:
    Jackie Phichith is a change management strategist, keynote speaker, and founder of Inspiration Your Way. With nearly 20 years inside Fortune 500 companies including McDonald's, Merck, and Pfizer, she has developed the SHINE framework to help leaders and organizations move through transformation without losing their people. She now brings that expertise to a broader stage, working with executives and founders across industries.

    TIMESTAMPS:
    00:00 — Cold open and episode introduction
    01:00 — What 20 years inside Fortune 500 companies actually looked like
    03:30 — Why only 27% of employees trust their leaders to guide them through change
    07:00 — The real reason companies cut training during transformations
    08:30 — The moment Jackie knew she had to step outside the corporate box
    13:00 — How staying comfortable becomes the biggest risk
    15:00 — The identity shift of going from corporate employee to founder
    20:00 — How to protect your focus as a solo founder
    24:00 — Running a quarterly business review on yourself
    28:00 — The Teddy Roosevelt Midnight Rambles story and what it means for CEOs
    31:00 — The organizations that will be left behind by AI and rapid change
    38:00 — The SHINE framework explained step by step
    44:00 — Lightning Round
    46:00 — The Last Question: What would you go back and tell yourself on day one?

    Connect with Jackie Phichith
    Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacquelinephichith/

    About the Show:
    Outside the Corporate Box is a Monday podcast co-hosted by JMan and Jeffrey Scott Stanton. Every episode explores what happens when ambitious professionals step beyond traditional titles and build something on their own terms. Real stories about reinvention, risk, and what it actually takes to bet on yourself.

    FOUNDING SPONSORS:
    1: Wise Agent | https://wiseagent.com/jsquared - The all-in-one CRM that helps real estate agents manage contacts, automate follow-up, and grow their business.

    2: Subi | https://www.oksubi.com/ - Your AI transaction genie. From contract to close, your work is my command.

    3: The CE Shop | https://j2.theceshop.com/ Use the discount code jsquared for an additional 35% off

    SUBSCRIBE to Outside the Corporate Box for new episodes every Monday.

    Outside the Corporate Box is part of J Squared Podcast Productions — a premium media network built for professionals who want more than entertainment.
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    46 min
  • Leaving Corporate to Build Relay Recruiting: Lauren Dunkle Dlugosh's Story

    Leaving Corporate to Build Relay Recruiting: Lauren Dunkle Dlugosh's Story
    Jun 1 2026

    Lauren Dunkle Dlugosh was one of the top billing recruiters at her firm in Rochester, regularly placing $550K to $650K in fees annually. She had great colleagues, a strong reputation, and no real reason to leave. And the night before she quit, she slept perfectly.

    That is what this conversation is really about. Not the business plan or the LinkedIn announcement. The moment before all of it, when everything felt right even though nothing was certain yet.

    What You Will Learn:
    1: What a non-solicitation agreement actually means and what it costs you when you walk away from a decade of client relationships
    2: Why Lauren named her first year of entrepreneurship grief, and how that honesty made her a better founder and recruiter
    3: How the golden handcuffs concept applies beyond recruiting and how to know when the cage is no longer worth it
    4: What Lauren's cross-country camper van trip has to do with landing a client after she went independent
    5: The one reframe that shifted everything: it was not about what she was running from, it was what she was running toward
    6: Why Lauren went from being a doer at her old firm to a creator building her own

    TIMESTAMPS:
    00:00 — Introduction & The Hook
    00:42 — Guest Introduction: Lauren Dunkle Dlugosh
    01:10 — Life Before Relay: The Rochester Firm
    04:22 — The Slow Burn: When Fine Stops Being Enough
    05:11 — AI in Recruiting: What Lauren Wanted to Build
    10:20 — Non-Solicitation Agreements Explained
    12:50 — Golden Handcuffs: The Cost of Comfort
    15:16 — Life With Intention: The Camper Van Trip
    17:03 — The Loneliness Nobody Talks About in Year One
    21:05 — Grieving a Life You Actually Loved
    24:43 — Stopping Waiting for Permission
    27:48 — Lightning Round
    33:25 — The Last Question: What Would You Tell Yourself on Day One?
    34:07 — Outro

    About Lauren Dunkle Dlugosh:
    Lauren Dunkle Dlugosh is the Founder and CEO of Relay Recruiting, an executive and professional search firm based in Rochester, New York. With nearly a decade of experience recruiting across nonprofit, higher education, manufacturing, energy, and the C-suite, she built her reputation as a top billing recruiter before launching independently. Her work combines deep relationship-based search with a forward-thinking approach to AI and workflow efficiency.

    Connect with Lauren Dunkle Dlugosh
    Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurendunkle/
    Website: https://www.relayrecruiting.com/

    FOUNDING SPONSORS:
    1: Wise Agent | https://wiseagent.com/jsquared - The all-in-one CRM that helps real estate agents manage contacts, automate follow-up, and grow their business.

    2: Subi | https://www.oksubi.com/ - Your AI transaction genie. From contract to close, your work is my command.

    3: The CE Shop | https://j2.theceshop.com/ Use the discount code jsquared for an additional 35% off

    SUBSCRIBE to Outside the Corporate Box for new episodes every Monday.

    Outside the Corporate Box is part of J Squared Podcast Productions — a premium media network built for professionals who want more than entertainment.
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    36 min
  • Laid Off at 50, #1 Agent at 51: Donna Baker on Reinventing After the Floor Falls Out

    Laid Off at 50, #1 Agent at 51: Donna Baker on Reinventing After the Floor Falls Out
    May 25 2026
    Donna Baker spent 30 years climbing the corporate ladder as an executive assistant — all the way to one of the highest-paid roles in Los Angeles. She was brilliant, organized, and on the verge of becoming a paper millionaire through stock options at an internet incubator.Then the Nasdaq crashed in 2000, and within seven months she had no job and no stock.At 50 years old, she got into real estate with zero clients, zero guaranteed income, and zero experience in sales. In seven months, she was the #1 agent in her office. She has held that title every year for 25 years.In this episode of Outside the Corporate Box, Donna sits down with JMan and Jeffrey to talk about what it actually feels like when the floor falls out, why her corporate background was her biggest competitive advantage, and what she wishes someone had told her at 49.What We Cover: 1: How Donna turned 30 years of corporate experience into a real estate competitive advantage2: The emotional reality of being laid off when you were at the top of your game3: Why she built a website and started direct mail marketing before she had a single client4: The floor time strategy that turned cold foot traffic into loyal buyers5: How she pivoted her brand from 'historic home specialist' to 'mobile homes to mansions'6: Why she believes entrepreneurship is in the blood — and the pushback she gets for saying it7: The litmus test she'd give anyone thinking about leaving the corporate world8: What it means to be 75, covered in tattoos, with purple hair, and still dominating her marketChapters: [00:00] Cold open — Donna's story in 60 seconds[01:00] Welcome + full guest introduction[02:00] Growing up wanting to be a secretary — career beginnings in the 1960s-70s[05:00] The Staten Island insurance broker who changed everything — her first true mentor[09:00] From Bell + Howell to direct mail marketing — how each job stacked her skills[13:00] Climbing to the internet incubator — and why she said yes to the dot-com world[15:00] The Nasdaq crash, the lost stock options, and the silence that followed[17:00] A car ride through Bakersfield — the moment real estate entered the picture[20:00] Getting licensed, getting hired before the license arrived, and closing in month three[25:00] Her first commission reinvested into a green termite flyer — and how it worked[29:00] Number one agent in seven months — the floor time and CRM strategy behind it[37:00] 51 transactions in a year, building a team, and knowing when to hire help[40:00] Is entrepreneurship nature or nurture? JMan pushes back[48:00] Lightning round — myths, secret sauce, and what she'd tell herself at 49[51:00] 75 years old, purple hair, tattoos, and still closing — why her brand works[55:00] AI, technology, and why refusing to learn it is the real career killer[57:00] Where to find Donna + closing thoughtsGuest Bio: Donna Baker is a top-producing REALTOR and co-founder of the Ammon + Baker team at JohnHart Real Estate in Monrovia, California. She has ranked number one in every office she has worked in for 25 consecutive years.Before real estate, Donna spent three decades as an executive assistant to presidents and CEOs across Southern California's most technical industries — including Bell + Howell and an engineering software firm with nearly 900 employees. She was among the highest-paid EAs in Los Angeles until the Nasdaq crash ended her career overnight.She earned her real estate license at 50 with no sales experience and closed her first two transactions within a month. A self-taught technologist, she built her own website before listing her first property.A Monrovia resident for the past forty years, Donna served as Historic Preservation Commissioner, earned the Chamber Citizen of the Year Award, and traveled to Thailand to build homes through the Carter Work Project. She specializes in residential properties across the San Gabriel Valley, with a passion for historic and vintage homes.At 75, Donna Baker is still the one to beat.Connect with Donna Baker:Website: ammonandbaker.comLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donnabakerInstagram: @realtordonnaFacebook: facebook.com/4SaleByDonnaFOUNDING SPONSORS: 1: Wise Agent | https://wiseagent.com/jsquared - The all-in-one CRM that helps real estate agents manage contacts, automate follow-up, and grow their business.2: Subi | https://www.oksubi.com/ - Your AI transaction genie. From contract to close, your work is my command.3: The CE Shop | https://j2.theceshop.com/ Use the discount code jsquared for an additional 35% offSUBSCRIBE to Outside the Corporate Box for new episodes every Monday.Outside the Corporate Box is part of J Squared Podcast Productions — a premium media network built for professionals who want more than entertainment.
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    59 min
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