What if career freedom isn’t about walking away from work altogether, but about consciously redesigning how you work?

In this Outlaws Escapes episode, Kate and Shayla are joined by editor, book coach and founder of the Expert Author Academy, Kelly Irving, who shares how she radically restructured her business to avoid burnout, reclaim her time, and create a life that worked for her family.

A few years ago, Kelly and her family packed up their lives and travelled through 11 countries — all while she reduced her one-to-one workload and experimented with working just 20 hours across an entire year. In this conversation, Kelly unpacks what redesigning work actually looks like in practice, from delegation and community-led business models to letting go of perfection and the myth of indispensability.

Together, they explore career freedom, the courage to tolerate discomfort, and why bold change rarely comes from having a perfect plan — but often starts with simply naming what you want and beginning.

This episode is for anyone questioning traditional definitions of success, feeling the early signs of burnout, or wondering whether there might be another way to work, live, and lead.

In this episode, we discuss:

• What career freedom really means (and what it doesn’t)
• Redesigning work to reduce burnout and protect energy
• Why working on your business matters more than working in it
• Delegation, community, and letting others step up
• Family travel as a catalyst for perspective and change
• The power of intention, discomfort, and starting before you feel ready

More about Kelly Irving

Connect with Kelly at www.kellyirving.com or www.expertauthor.community

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Hosted and produced by Shayla Strapps and Kate Offer

What if making a big decision isn’t about finding the right answer, but learning how to trust yourself?

How do you make big decisions without overthinking, spinning in circles, or waiting for certainty that never comes? In this episode, Shayla and Kate are joined by Bethan Winn, one of Australia’s leading experts in critical thinking and human skills, to unpack how decisions actually get made, and why so many high-achievers feel stuck when it matters most.

From intuition and values to analysis paralysis and permission, this conversation reframes decision making as a skill you can build, not a personality trait you either have or don’t.

In this episode – Why most professionals were taught how to analyse, not how to decide – The myth of the “good decision” and why the real work starts after you choose – What’s really happening when you feel stuck between two good options – Gut instinct, what it is, what it isn’t, and why it matters even in rational professions – How overthinking is often a sign of fear, not lack of intelligence – “Nibble rather than scoff”, making big decisions through small, reversible steps – A practical decision-making framework built around permission, values, data, noise, and testing – Why values sit underneath every decision, whether you name them or not – How to reflect on decisions without self-blame when things don’t go to plan – Creating space to think in a noisy, fast-moving world

More about Bethan Winn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bethanwinn/

https://www.instagram.com/bethan_winn_critical_thinking/

https://www.facebook.com/bethanwinn.com.au/

The book is available www.bethanwinn.com.au/shop or on Amazon and soon from any good bookshop

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What happens when the person everyone relies on can no longer keep going?

In this episode, Kate and Shayla sit down with Dr Emily Amos, a former GP whose own experience of burnout stopped her in her tracks and ultimately reshaped her entire understanding of care, success, and sustainability.

Emily spent 15 years in medicine, building a thriving practice and supporting others through some of their most vulnerable moments. From the outside, she was capable, calm, and deeply competent. Inside, she was running on adrenaline, guilt, and a relentless sense of responsibility, until her body finally said no.

What followed was not a neat recovery story, but a profound reckoning with rest, identity, and the cost of always being the strong one.

This is a powerful conversation about burnout in caring professions, why capable people often miss the warning signs, and what real recovery actually looks like when you stop trying to outpace yourself.

In this episode

• Emily’s path into medicine and why general practice is as much about life as it is about illness
• The slow, invisible build-up to burnout and why she didn’t see it coming
• The moment everything stopped, and why her body became the final boundary
• The difference between altruism and self-sacrifice, and why self-awareness matters
• How perfectionism and identity can trap high achievers in unsustainable patterns
• Why rest is essential, not indulgent, especially in helping professions
• What changed when Emily redefined success around inner capacity, not output
• How Whole Hearted Medicine was born, and why practitioner wellbeing is not optional

This conversation explores burnout, rest and recovery in medicine, but the themes will resonate with anyone in law, healthcare, leadership, or any role where being capable has become part of your identity.

Connect with Emily:

Whole Hearted Medicine W: www.dremilyamos.com IG: @dremilyamos

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Hosted and produced by Shayla Strapps and Kate Offer