The eleventh episode of the Outfoxed podcast by Hunter.io features Kodi McKinney, founder of Me In The Club.

Kodi shares why the marketing lessons he learned promoting records at college radio stations apply directly to B2B outreach, how founders and musicians make identical mistakes when trying to grow past their referral networks, and why he believes most people are stuck on one or two channels when they need to be visible across seven. He breaks down what separates cold outreach that gets marked as spam from the kind that starts real conversations — and why the answer has almost nothing to do with the tools you use.

This episode is packed with practical insight for founders transitioning away from founder-led sales, growth marketers looking for fresh perspective, and anyone who suspects that the human side of outreach is getting lost in the rush to automate everything.

Podcast Episode Highlights:

• Why the "Rule of Seven" still defines how modern buyers make decisions
• The layered communication hierarchy from face-to-face down to email and why each step adds resistance
• Why managing a CEO's patience is half the job of any fractional CMO
• His rule for marking cold emails as spam and what it reveals about most outreach today

About Kodi McKinney:

Kodi McKinney is the founder of Me In The Club, a growth marketing consultancy serving both creative businesses and tech companies. He has worked with thousands of artists and companies across 30+ countries, co-owned a NYC-based music marketing agency for nine years, and has spoken on marketing at conferences across three continents.

His background spans radio promotion, journalism, music management, and fractional CMO work for startups and corporations alike. He is based in New York City.

Learn more about Kodi McKinney via:

• https://www.meintheclub.com/
• https://www.theclublist.net/

Credits: Podcast theme music by Transistor.fm.

The latest episode of the Outfoxed podcast by Hunter.io features Emmet Gibney, CEO of Rewardful.

Emmet shares how he navigated the transition from indie-hacker pricing to enterprise customers, why PLG companies inevitably hit a tension point where they have to decide if they're self-serve or sales-led, and how Rewardful's single biggest customer is worth 1,400 entry-level accounts. He explains why the first 100 customers should come from daily conversations with your ICP rather than scalable channels, and why building a "repeatable case study" is the clearest signal of product-market fit.

This episode delivers practical lessons for SaaS founders, product-led growth operators, and anyone navigating the shift from small-customer base to enterprise sales — with honest takes on what works, what doesn't, and why your tech stack is probably not what’s holding you back.

Podcast Episode Highlights:

• Why PLG companies can't stay 50/50 with sales-led growth
• How Rewardful uses its own product as an attribution hack for paid ad channels
• Why enterprise buyers are psychologically averse to low price points
• The case for keeping your go-to-market tech stack lightweight instead of chasing tools
• How AI-generated content from B2C will reshape B2B marketing on YouTube and LinkedIn

About Emmet Gibney:

Emmet Gibney is the CEO of Rewardful, a SaaS platform for affiliate and referral programs, owned by SaaS Group. He joined the company after volunteering for support during COVID, moved into a marketing and product role post-acquisition, and pitched the board to let him take the CEO seat when the original founders departed — earning the title permanently in mid-2023.

Before Rewardful, Emmet co-founded a healthcare software startup, ran a media production company, and worked across product and marketing roles. He is based in Dublin, Ireland.

Learn more about Emmet Gibney via:

• https://www.rewardful.com/
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmetgibney/

Credits: Podcast theme music by Transistor.fm.

The ninth episode of the Outfoxed podcast by Hunter.io features Rahul Jain, CEO and co-founder of Noble.

Rahul shares how he pivoted from word-of-mouth recommendation software to paid placement for AI search, scaling from zero to over half a million dollars in ARR in two months. He explains why 88% of links that appeared on Google's first page no longer get cited by LLMs, how he productized link building to get brands mentioned in the sources ChatGPT and Google AI Overviews actually cite, and why focusing on doing one thing exceptionally well became their competitive advantage in a market already seeing competitors shut down.

This episode delivers strategic insights for founders navigating market pivots, go-to-market leaders adapting to AI-driven buying behavior, and anyone building in emerging categories — packed with honest metrics, tactical approaches, and hard-won lessons from someone who's built companies in both hardware and software.

Podcast Episode Highlights:

• Why getting mentioned in cited sources guarantees visibility more than traditional SEO tactics
• How Rahul leveraged existing customer relationships to validate and launch a completely different product
• The accidental growth loop where publisher outreach converts into new customer leads
• Why vulnerability with your team builds stronger connections than projecting fearless leadership
• His interview technique for testing candidate grit: assignments that reveal effort level over credentials

About Rahul Jain:

Rahul Jain is the CEO and co-founder of Noble, a platform that enables paid placement in AI search results by getting brands mentioned in the sources cited by ChatGPT, Google AI Overviews, and Perplexity. Before Noble, Rahul led sales at digital healthcare companies including OODA Health and Cedar, and was previously CEO and co-founder of Tower View Health, a medication adherence startup he launched with college roommates in 2014.

Based in San Francisco, Rahul brings a unique perspective shaped by experience on both sides of the founder-sales divide — having built companies, led enterprise sales teams, and navigated the challenges of hardware manufacturing, 24-month healthcare sales cycles, and venture-backed pivots.

Learn more about Rahul Jain via:

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/rahul-jain-noble/
• https://www.thatsnoble.com/

Credits: Podcast theme music by Transistor.fm.