A ramble of a conversation initially but it's always fun to speak to Clare.

Inspiring to pick her brains on her career at the BBC, discuss big bureaucratic organisations and how she made her way in the world of media. Great also to learn about the life of one of her greatest career mentors and inspirations, Kenny Macintyre (19 July 1944 – 30 May 1999), a political journalist, famed for stopping Politian's in their tracks.

Joe is a bit of a British legend and a good mentor for our mostly consulting start. A great find during the Global lockdown.

This episode we talk a bit about his career and the back story behind the book "Shoe Maker" which is available on hard and paper back in all good book stores.

We also talk about industry, the resilience and necessity of the sports sector, his run in with Tyson Fury, the improver mindset and a fair bit more.

Needless to say you can learn a lot about life from an 85 year old who built a sports company to out sell Nike in a 30 year period.

We team up with Deborah Fleming a specialist in organisational development to interview the father and son team, Edgar and Peter Schein about their careers and their Humble Leadership book series.

Edgar is a Professor of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sloan School of Management, and Peter is the cofounder and COO of the Organisational Culture and Leadership Institute.