A steel beam from the South Tower stands behind us as we record, unpainted and untouched, because some things are supposed to look exactly like they did when they came down. From the 9/11 Memorial in Tullytown, Pennsylvania, we sit with lifetime first responders David Pearl and Amy Austin to talk about what remembrance really costs and what it gives back.

Amy walks us through a life shaped by the fire service, from joining the fire academy at 14 to building a career across EMT work, ICU and trauma care, the emergency department, and nursing education leadership. She shares a deeply personal Bucks County connection to 9/11 through her friend Kirsten, the daughter of Captain Victor Saracini, pilot of the second plane. That story starts in a middle school music class, with parents appearing in the hallway and a world changing in minutes.

Dave brings the perspective of both a firefighter EMT and a 41 year Air Force veteran. He remembers watching the first reports on base, seeing the second plane hit, and feeling the switch flip from shock to mission. We also talk about the part too many people overlook: the families at home, the spouses carrying the weight, and how first responder mental health is tied to community rituals that keep names, sacrifices, and lessons alive. Dave explains how the memorial was built through donations, why it includes symbols for New York City, the Pentagon, and Shanksville, and why spacing ceremonies out over years can quietly turn “never forget” into “we moved on.”

If you care about 9/11, first responders, veterans, or the real stories behind community memorials, listen, subscribe, share this with someone who needs it, and leave a review so more people find these conversations.

The call ends, but the weight doesn’t. We sit down with Scott Pavlock and Dr. Mike Fagel to talk about the part of the job most people never see: what first responders carry home, what they normalize to stay functional, and what it takes to keep doing the work without losing themselves in it.

Mike shares hard-earned perspective from a career spanning local response and federal missions, including Oklahoma City and 9/11, plus the long tail of illness, stress, and regret that can follow. Scott brings decades of law enforcement and military leadership and names the quiet truth many responders live with: our families often bear the cost, even when we never meant to make them pay. We unpack why “resilience” is so often misunderstood in police, fire, EMS, and emergency management, and why operational readiness has to include your mental health and emotional well-being.

We also get practical about peer support and critical incident stress management (CISM): what helps in the first hours, what tends to hit around the 72-hour mark, and how support should continue weeks and months later. The big takeaway is simple but not easy: resilience is learned, talking reduces stigma, and “family first, family always” has to be more than a slogan if we want long careers and intact lives. If this resonates, subscribe, share it with someone who serves, and leave a review so more first responders can find it.

The hardest part of public safety is not always what happens on the call. It’s what happens after, when the adrenaline drops and you still have to go home, sleep, parent, partner, and pretend you’re fine. We go one-on-one with Mark Junkerman, a retired law enforcement lieutenant and U.S. Army veteran who has spent decades in first responder wellness, peer support, crisis intervention, and critical incident stress management. Mark brings the rare mix of leadership experience and lived insight that cuts through the noise and lands in real life.

We talk about why good intentions are not enough and why wellness has to be built like any other mission: with awareness, action, and application you can measure. Mark explains how culture shapes outcomes, why “you can’t fix what you can’t measure,” and how programs have to be scalable for police, fire, EMS, dispatch, and military communities that live under different pressures and traditions. If you’ve ever felt like you’re doing everything right but still falling apart, this conversation names the traps and offers a clearer map.

Then we get into the idea people remember: “the ocean is the ocean.” You cannot conquer it, but you can learn to swim, sail, and find safe harbor when conditions turn. Mark shares practical first steps after awareness, including restoring balance, navigating by fixed points instead of a moving horizon, and “taking to the oars” when it’s time to do the work, one small win at a time.

In This Episode:

✔ Marc Junkerman's journey through military and law enforcement service
✔ Building resilience throughout a career of service
✔ Critical Incident Stress Management (CISM) and peer support
✔ The importance of emotional wellness for first responders
✔ Life after retirement and finding a renewed sense of purpose
✔ Lessons learned from decades of leadership and service
✔ Why asking for help is a sign of strength—not weakness

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This is Mind on the Line... because no one carries this alone.

Resources:

Northern Illinois Critical Incident Stress Management Team: https://www.ni-cism.org/
Text "FRONTLINE" to 741741 to use the National Crisis Text
Safe Call Now: Call 1-206-459-3020 to access this crisis and referral service for public safety employees.
Fire/EMS Helpline: Call 1-888-731-3473 for the National Volunteer Fire Council Support.
https://cornerstoneretreatcenter.com/about-us
https://haymarketcenter.org/retreat/

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The call ends, but your nervous system doesn’t get the memo. We sit down with Dan Roach, a retired Illinois State Police leader and longtime undercover narcotics investigator, and Carrie Matthews, a Chicago Police Department officer, to talk honestly about critical incident stress, the weight behind the badge, and why first responder mental health has to be treated like operational readiness.

Dan breaks down the difference between staying in control on the outside and staying in control on the inside, where hyper-vigilance, trauma exposure, and accumulated stress can quietly rewrite how you see the world. Kerry shares what kinds of calls stick the longest, how policing can make trust harder at home and at work, and why asking direct questions like “Are you thinking of killing yourself?” can be a life-saving act, not an overstep.

Carrie shares what happens to first responders when stress is never processed: isolation, drinking, drugs, anxiety, depression, PTSD, and the painful reality of suicide in the first responder community. From peer support to culturally competent therapy, we talk about practical paths forward, plus resources like Cornerstone Retreat Center and the Haymarket Center of Chicago retreat experience that helps responders feel less alone and more equipped.

If you’re carrying more than you admit, start here, then take one step and tell your story to someone you trust. Subscribe, share this with a teammate, and leave a review so more first responders and families can find these conversations.

In This Episode
The hidden emotional burden of policing
Hyper-vigilance on and off duty
Why cumulative trauma matters
Identity beyond the badge
The impact on marriage and family
Building resilience without sacrificing your well-being
Leadership's role in officer wellness
Why asking for help is a sign of professionalism—not weakness

This episode is part of Mind on the Line, a podcast dedicated to first responder wellness through authentic conversations with first responders, clinicians, peer supporters, and subject matter experts.

If this conversation resonates with you, please consider subscribing, sharing this episode with a fellow responder, and joining us as we continue these important discussions.

No one carries this alone.

0:00 Who Is There After The Call
0:43 Meet The Hosts And Guests
2:19 Dan’s Career And Hidden Stress
7:32 Control Outside Versus Inside
9:11 Carrie On Calls That Stick
16:03 How The Job Changes Trust
28:54 Peer Support And Breaking Silence
35:15 The Cost Of Not Dealing
43:11 What Helps Leadership And Resources
52:57 First Step To Getting Help

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First Responder Mental Health
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EMS & Paramedic Mental Health
Dispatcher Wellness
PTSD & Trauma Recovery
Peer Support
Critical Incident Stress Management (CISM)
Leadership in Public Safety
Veteran Mental Health
Resilience & Recovery

Resources:

Northern Illinois Critical Incident Stress Management Team: https://www.ni-cism.org/
Text "FRONTLINE" to 741741 to use the National Crisis Text
Safe Call Now: Call 1-206-459-3020 to access this crisis and referral service for public safety employees.
Fire/EMS Helpline: Call 1-888-731-3473 for the National Volunteer Fire Council Support.
https://cornerstoneretreatcenter.com/about-us
https://haymarketcenter.org/retreat/

Connect With Mind on the Line

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If you're a first responder, healthcare professional, peer supporter, clinician, or leader with a story or expertise that can help others, we'd love to hear from you.

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Host/Co-Host Contact Information:

John Otte - Host - John.Otte@gmail.com
Scott Pavlock - CoHost - Army110@att.net

Every day, first responders answer the call.

Police officers. Firefighters. Paramedics. Dispatchers. Nurses. Veterans.

They respond to emergencies, witness tragedy, carry the weight of critical incidents, and continue showing up when others need them most.

But who is there for them?

Mind on the Line was created to have the conversations that often happen behind closed doors—the conversations about stress, trauma, burnout, resilience, recovery, peer support, PTSD, critical incidents, and the emotional realities of serving others.

This podcast brings together first responders, clinicians, peer supporters, recovery professionals, and subject matter experts to share real experiences, practical resources, and honest discussions about what it means to carry the job long after the call is over.

Whether you're wearing a badge, riding an ambulance, answering the radio, serving in healthcare, supporting a department, or standing beside someone who does, this podcast is for you.

Our mission is simple:

Reduce stigma. Encourage conversation. Share resources. Build resilience. Save careers, relationships, and lives.

Because strength isn't carrying everything alone.

It's knowing when to reach out.