What happens when two people with fundamentally different views on viruses, contagion, and the medical model sit down for a conversation? Fire. When Dr. Kevin Stillwagon joined me on the Medicine Girl Podcast, he came out swinging, arguing that the transmission of conditions like athlete's foot is evidence that contagion exists. We could have spent the next hour debating studies, trying to dismantle each other's beliefs, or talking past one another. Instead, I chose a different path. Rather than trying to "win" the debate, which I could have, we explored where our perspectives overlap. What followed was one of the most surprising, thought-provoking, and genuinely enjoyable conversations I've had on the podcast. Whether you believe in germ theory, terrain theory, somewhere in between, or you're simply curious, this episode is packed with respectful disagreement, challenging questions, unexpected moments of laughter, and ultimately, remarkable common ground. Sometimes the most valuable conversations aren't the ones where everyone agrees—they're the ones where two people are willing to listen. This heated discussion ends in a place neither of us expected, uncovering practical principles for health, healing, and personal responsibility that benefit everyone, regardless of which model they believe. If you've ever wondered whether people with opposing viewpoints can have an honest, productive conversation, you won't want to miss this episode. About Dr. Kevin Stillwagon Dr. Kevin Stillwagon is a former chiropractor, retired airline captain, and outspoken advocate for medical freedom. He has spoken at school board and city council meetings across the country on vaccine and mask mandates, encouraging people to think critically about health, immunity, and personal choice. Disclaimer: The Medicine Girl Podcast is intended for educational and entertainment purposes only and is not a substitute for personalized medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional regarding your individual health decisions. To Find and Follow Dr. Kevin Stillwagon Substack: drkevinstillwagon.substack.com Rumble: rumble.com/c/KevinStillwagon US Freedom Flyers: usfreedomflyers.org